----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 02:00:57 GMT Subject: [STGOD-info] The stage as it is Message-ID: Surviving a war is usually the best one can hope for. There really is no winner when the territory was as torn and destroyed as was the home galaxy. For months the fleets of the NRMD had raged across this section of space leaving nothing but twisting wrecks of ships and planets in their wake. Over action after action the tide was slowly turned and the once proud conquerors had simply retreated to their home galaxy content in the destruction wrought upon their prey. The cost to the New Republic was stagering. Fully forty percent of the avaliable capital ships and the start of the conflict were now mere floating atoms in deep space. Of the fighter corps nothing remained of the special M-Wings that once served as secret guardians of their motherland. As for the rest the army had been badly hurt simply because so many of its assets were tied up aboard ship in a state of perpetual readiness. The counting did not stop with the military, for the populace suffered at the hands of an enemy willing to punish any planet aligned with the Republic. Well over a score of planets no longer existed or had been rendered uninhabitable. Space yards, civilian shipping, resorts, passenger liners, cargo terminals, all had been laid to waste in the face of systematic destruction by the NRMD. Despite this hope remained. It remained in the form of a few battered Admirals and Generals who had once again fought to save those they cherished most. For the fifth time in his life Restar A. Wilkens was a war winner. He had lead his forces in the midst of the hardest and heaviest fighting since the Vong wars and they were, if not victorious, at least wonderfully resiliant in stalemate. The task he was left with was, perhaps, equally large. The whole nation had to rebuild that which had been destroyed at great cost and expense but they would survive. Already the plan was forming in his head. No longer would the Republic rely on massive numbers, rather they would scale down even further, reducing themselves to a mere three fleets. The difference would be in those fleets. He was already in the process of eliminating any vessel not philote-drive capable from his OOB. What would remain was a core of vessels with speed unmatched by any other power. They had, quite literally, the power to be anywhere instantly. With this went the newly aquired shielding technology. By year's end the fleet would be a new entity, reborn as a strike force that could withstand huge punishment while taking the fight to any enemy anywhere. -- A galaxy away, or rather in the same place just a different lifetime, the same man stood with eyes burning fire over his highest generals and admirals. These men had indeed lost a war, though they had done so without losing everything. It had been a brilliant defeat, one that had finally propelled the NRMD back to its own time and space. For now they would lick their wounds but the fire in Restar's eyes was understood by the dozen men arrayed before him: This was not the end, not by a long shot. -- cmdrwilkens AIM: cmdrwilkens "Shut the fuck up, scum." -- cmdrwilkens AIM: cmdrwilkens "Shut the fuck up, scum." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 24 Aug 2001 02:30:10 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD-info] The stage as it is Message-ID: "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in news:tzih7.10771$hT4.2868601@news1.rdc1.md.home.com: > A galaxy away, or rather in the same place just a different lifetime, > the same man stood with eyes burning fire over his highest generals and > admirals. These men had indeed lost a war, though they had done so > without losing everything. It had been a brilliant defeat, one that had > finally propelled the NRMD back to its own time and space. For now they > would lick their wounds but the fire in Restar's eyes was understood by > the dozen men arrayed before him: This was not the end, not by a long > shot. > Star Kingdom OTIA* Unmanned Recon Vehicle AEF-135E6. With a flare of light, the URV disappeared into yet another reality, hunting down those who invaded the galaxy nearly half a year ago. In the great battles that ravaged the lands, special forces groups managed to place a small number of special beacons on the enemy warships. These beacons would, upon translating to an unknown reality, broadcast the event of the translation to their masters, hopefully betraying the enemy's home galaxy. In the months that followed, the greatest assembly of physicists the Kingdom had ever known began deciphering the data for possible clues. Material under the highest classifications from the OTIA was released. Special probes were built by various aerospace firms...probes that would begin tracking the enemy. The probes would translate to another reality using a chronosphere-hyperfold drive and record the signatures of the fold, then transmit back. The probes themselves were programmed to seek out their destination. As the data they collected accumulated, they could refine their otherwise random search. URV AEF-135E6 entered its target reality on the outskirts of the galaxy...and transmitted its data before translating back. The Kingdom's military buildup accelerated even more, preparing for an offensive... * Office of Temporal and Interdimensional Affairs ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:01:18 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD-info] The stage as it is Message-ID: > URV AEF-135E6 entered its target reality on the outskirts of the > galaxy...and transmitted its data before translating back. The Kingdom's > military buildup accelerated even more, preparing for an offensive... > > Isolation, this was the policy of the day. While the galaxy and universe gradually watched the shifting of power away from the withdrawing sixth imperium towards the reorganized powers of the omnipotent triumvirate the New Republic shrank back to its border wars with the Second Galactic Empire. Given her enemies rather unscatehed run in the last conflict it was time to be on the defensive yet again. Thus now was not the time to begin open diplomatic relations or even to continue those that had existed prior. The word was out and embassy after embassy saw its personnel withdrawn and the defenders reassigned to front-line combat units. Even major missions to the SKS and the old feeler teams sent to reson with the Boyd and many of the great powers were withdrawn. The age-old mission to the sizxth imperium was cut short only months after achieving its only success. The New Republic was drawing in upon itself, licking its wounds and searching for something to reform around. -- The NRMD was different entirely. They were without peer and owning a whole galaxy to themselves with no competition. The war had hurt their fleet but not their production facilities. However they too were undergoing a transformation, to a bigger and yet more ruthless power. The last vestiges of senatorial power were removed even while the senate remained so as to satisfy the populace that all was well on Coruscant. Meanwhile the military grew as shipyards finished long standing projects early with huge government bonuses dangling in front of them. Already two new Peacekeepers had come off the slipways and the neccessary vessels to build fleets around them were slowly being assembled while their crews were trained by the vetrans who had survived the battles with the weak republic and her allies and enemies. The time would be near, how near no one knew except one. Restar Wilkens, warlord and ruler, stood ready to return and conquer that which was rightfully his but not yet, not yet. -- cmdrwilkens AIM: cmdrwilkens "Shut the fuck up, scum." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pablo" Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:19:38 -0500 Subject: Re: [STGOD-info] The stage as it is Message-ID: <9m6fts$l4ur$1@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de> "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message news:tzih7.10771$hT4.2868601@news1.rdc1.md.home.com... [snip] Run Threat Assessment Program accessing data... compiling... forming list... Allies- Star Kingdom of Serenity Boyd Collective Psychonian Empire *Mars Pact* Recommendations- Offer status as mutual ally to work as intermediary between Boyd Collective and SKS. A high potential of armed conflict between these two powers exist, and the destruction of either would not be beneficial to our interests. Friendlies- SCEF Second Galactic Empire United Terran Republic Recommendations- Form closer ties with SGE if possible. Additionally, assist UTR in galactic advancement, but avoid angering Mars Pact. Enemies- VHRW (Deimos Anomaly) Recommendations- The VHRW's aggressive posture toward us, and their recent deployment of strategic weapons mark them as a threat. Victory is assured in war against the VHRW, but moderate damage is likely to be suffered. Avoid conflict when possible, but press our interests when unavoidable. IMMEDIATE THREATS- New Republic Military Dictatorship Recommendations- Due to the NRMD's advanced technology, they represent a clear and present danger to both our protected space and our status as a galactic power. Plans should be made with allied forces to strike as soon as possible. Full mobilization of our forces is recommended. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 24 Aug 2001 22:00:33 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD-info] The stage as it is Message-ID: "Pablo" wrote in news:9m6fts$l4ur$1@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de: > > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in message > news:tzih7.10771$hT4.2868601@news1.rdc1.md.home.com... > [snip] > > Allies- > Star Kingdom of Serenity > Boyd Collective > Psychonian Empire > *Mars Pact* > > Recommendations- > Offer status as mutual ally to work as intermediary between Boyd > Collective and SKS. A high potential of armed conflict between these > two powers exist, and the destruction of either would not be beneficial > to our interests. > Minor correction here, or perhaps just a matter of perspective. The Kingdom has *no* alliances with any power (we're too paranoid), but many agreements, pacts and such. We'd best be placed under the Friendlies list. And isn't the Mars Pact already comprised of the BC, the PE and the SGE? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Crayz9000 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:43:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [STGOD&FANFIC] Info post Message-ID: While drowning in alt.startrek.vs.starwars, Kyle found <3B81594F.1DB23293@Netzero.net> on Mon, 20 Aug 2001 14:39:11 -0400... >STGOD: I'm retiring the Sixth Imperium. My new nation will be the >United Terran Republic. They control less then one solar system, but >are planning on expanding using colonization, they consist of; Earth >(STGOD Universe) and Luna. That is all for now. The SCEF is always open to new trade negociations. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 03:31:36 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD-info] The stage as it is Message-ID: "Pablo" wrote in message news:9m6fts$l4ur$1@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de... > > IMMEDIATE THREATS- > New Republic Military Dictatorship > > Recommendations- > Due to the NRMD's advanced technology, they represent a clear and present > danger to both our protected space and our status as a galactic power. > Plans should be made with allied forces to strike as soon as possible. Full > mobilization of our forces is recommended. > Good to go, place the NR on the list of whatevers when they have an equal technology footing with the NRMD through certain means but just not the production capabilities (oh yeah and they are in an undeclared war with the SGE). Good to go, time to close up that mission and go home. -- cmdrwilkens AIM: cmdrwilkens "Shut the fuck up, scum." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kyle Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:30:04 -0400 Subject: [DTGOD] Announcement Message-ID: <3B8AADCC.3404CCAB@Netzero.net> PRESS RELEASE: Today the United Terran Republic is pleased to announce the launch of it's newest and most powerful warship. The TNS Constantinople is the first of a class of Dreadnought warships that will form the backbone of the great UTRN. The Terran Senate has decreed that the Dreadnought TNS Constantinople will be making a tour of the unclaimed space of the Milky Way Galaxy. Accompanied by the Heavy Cruisers Warlord and Kalkin and escorted by the Destroyers Athens, Sparta, Alexandria and Babylon, will be making a diplomatic tour meeting with the governments of the galaxies "lesser powers," it is hoped that many of these worlds will wish top join the UTR and once again be reunited with the mother world. In related news the UTRN has announced that it's test of the new SupraLight Assault Missile is preceding as planned. No other information is available on the SLAM project. -- UTRN Department of Information. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deimos Anomaly Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:36:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Announcement Message-ID: <3B8ABD62.522FA09B@aol.com> Kyle wrote: > The Vengeful Hegemony of Romulan Wrath offers a treaty of non-agression. -- ___ ___ ___ ___ _____ ___ ___ \ \ / / | | | | | __ \ \ \ / / \ \ / / | |__| | | |_> > \ \ __ / / \ \ / / | __ | | / \ \ / \ / / \ \___/ / | | | | | |\ \ \ \/ /\ \/ / \_____/ |_| |_| |_| \_\ \__/ \__/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 27 Aug 2001 21:38:01 GMT Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Announcement Message-ID: Kyle wrote in news:3B8AADCC.3404CCAB@Netzero.net: > PRESS RELEASE: > The Terran Senate has decreed that the Dreadnought TNS > Constantinople > will be making a tour of the unclaimed space of the Milky Way Galaxy. > Accompanied by the Heavy Cruisers Warlord and Kalkin and escorted by > the Destroyers Athens, Sparta, Alexandria and Babylon, will be making > a diplomatic tour meeting with the governments of the galaxies "lesser > powers," it is hoped that many of these worlds will wish top join the > UTR and once again be reunited with the mother world. > Sounds like the Great White Fleet The Star Kingdom of Serenity shall allow the UTRN use of the Royal Navy's fleet bases should they need to and opens an invitation for a port visit to the capital at Enigma. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:18:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Announcement Message-ID: Deimos Anomaly wrote: > The Vengeful Hegemony of Romulan Wrath offers a treaty of non-agression. Couldn't you just call yourself the Romulan Star Empire? I couldn't be bothered changing the map again. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deimos Anomaly Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:19:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Announcement Message-ID: <3B8AC787.A6879EC3@aol.com> Jonathan Boyd wrote: > > Deimos Anomaly wrote: > > > The Vengeful Hegemony of Romulan Wrath offers a treaty of non-agression. > > Couldn't you just call yourself the Romulan Star Empire? I couldn't be > bothered changing the map again. I've been called the VHRW for months and months. In fact probably over a year now... -- ___ ___ ___ ___ _____ ___ ___ \ \ / / | | | | | __ \ \ \ / / \ \ / / | |__| | | |_> > \ \ __ / / \ \ / / | __ | | / \ \ / \ / / \ \___/ / | | | | | |\ \ \ \/ /\ \/ / \_____/ |_| |_| |_| \_\ \__/ \__/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:30:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Announcement Message-ID: The Boyd Collective invites representatives of the UTR to join the SKS Ambassador for dinner, to discuss matters of mutual interest. A 5 course meal is planned aboard the BCS 'Defender of the Realm' currently in Enigma orbit. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:35:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Announcement Message-ID: Deimos Anomaly wrote: >>> The Vengeful Hegemony of Romulan Wrath offers a treaty of non-agression. >> Couldn't you just call yourself the Romulan Star Empire? I couldn't be >> bothered changing the map again. > I've been called the VHRW for months and months. In fact probably over a > year now... You never really seemed to do much in STGODs though, so I didn't really notice. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Strowbridge Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:18:40 GMT Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Announcement Message-ID: <3B8AE34C.4BE2372C@home.com> Deimos Anomaly wrote: > > Kyle wrote: > > The Terran Senate has decreed that the Dreadnought TNS Constantinople > > will be making a tour of the unclaimed space of the Milky Way Galaxy. > > Accompanied by the Heavy Cruisers Warlord and Kalkin and escorted by > > the Destroyers Athens, Sparta, Alexandria and Babylon, will be making > > a diplomatic tour meeting with the governments of the galaxies "lesser > > powers," it is hoped that many of these worlds will wish top join the > > UTR and once again be reunited with the mother world. > The Vengeful Hegemony of Romulan Wrath offers a treaty of non-agression. Just to be a bastard, Brother Alpha is going to contact a member of The Great Race of Yith to have a little Yithian Mental Contact with the messenger / captain of the vessel the TNS Constantinople meets. Instead of offering a treaty of Non-Agression the conversation will go a little something like this: Sensor Operator: Sir, we have Dreadnought class ship in sensor range. They are hailing us. Captain / Yithian: Put them on the main viewer. Communication Officer: Aye sir. Captain / Yithian: This is the VHRW Warship Penis Envy, entering our space is in direct violation of our sovereign rights. We will not bow down to your oppressive reign no longer! You have ten seconds to leave our space or risk all out WAAAAAAAARRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!! [Editors Note: You can see why no one even suspected a mind swap.] Captain of the TNS Constellation: We've come on a mission of peace, we do not wish to rule over you. Captain / Yithian: Yeah right! Ten ... Nine ... Captain of the TNS Constipation: Sir, we don't want a conflict. Just listen to our offer. Captain / Yithian: Viva La Revolution! FIRE!!!1!! Captain of the TNS Istanbul not Constantinople: Raise shields and return fire. < Insert Amazing Battle Scene Here > Blam! Kapow! Smash! Nipple Twist! Slap! Pinch! <= Cool sound effects, eh? Within mere minutes the battle was over, but not before the Yithian swapped back to its 'original' body. C.S.Strowbridge ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deimos Anomaly Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:54:35 +0100 Subject: [DTGOD]Attn cmdrwilkens... Message-ID: <3B8C050B.929C119B@aol.com> I propose a treaty of mutual defence between the NRMD and VHRW. In order to cement this, I'm willing to construct for the NRMD a starship of the same design plan as the VHRW's Vanguard-class RGV's, complete with 12 Rache ISM's. The vessel will carry a phase-cloak and come equiped with Todesfaust torpedo armament. You can choose either to provide your own crew for it, or can recieved it with a ready crew of terminators. The treaty will mean that in the event you are attacked, you can expect the VHRW to side with you against your foe. -- ___ ___ ___ ___ _____ ___ ___ \ \ / / | | | | | __ \ \ \ / / \ \ / / | |__| | | |_> > \ \ __ / / \ \ / / | __ | | / \ \ / \ / / \ \___/ / | | | | | |\ \ \ \/ /\ \/ / \_____/ |_| |_| |_| \_\ \__/ \__/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pablo" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:16:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [DTGOD]Attn cmdrwilkens... Message-ID: <9mh1hv$25kjp$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de> "Deimos Anomaly" wrote in message news:3B8C050B.929C119B@aol.com... > I propose a treaty of mutual defence between the NRMD and VHRW. > > In order to cement this, I'm willing to construct for the NRMD a > starship of the same design plan as the VHRW's Vanguard-class RGV's, > complete with 12 Rache ISM's. The vessel will carry a phase-cloak and > come equiped with Todesfaust torpedo armament. You can choose either to > provide your own crew for it, or can recieved it with a ready crew of > terminators. > > The treaty will mean that in the event you are attacked, you can expect > the VHRW to side with you against your foe. OOC: Deimos, you are treading on very thin ice. The NRMD is the established enemy of the GPF, Boyd, SKS, and just about every power in the galaxy except you. The moment this comes into the open, you are going to be attacked from every direction with force that you have no chance of resisting. Fair warning has been issued. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:44:31 GMT Subject: Re: [DTGOD]Attn cmdrwilkens... Message-ID: <3hUi7.29748$hT4.8347775@news1.rdc1.md.home.com> "Deimos Anomaly" wrote in message news:3B8C050B.929C119B@aol.com... > I propose a treaty of mutual defence between the NRMD and VHRW. > > In order to cement this, I'm willing to construct for the NRMD a > starship of the same design plan as the VHRW's Vanguard-class RGV's, > complete with 12 Rache ISM's. The vessel will carry a phase-cloak and > come equiped with Todesfaust torpedo armament. You can choose either to > provide your own crew for it, or can recieved it with a ready crew of > terminators. > > The treaty will mean that in the event you are attacked, you can expect > the VHRW to side with you against your foe. > Very well, we will accept your offer. It should be noted that we are currently in a declared state of war with every major power in the STGOD universe so have fun. -- cmdrwilkens AIM: cmdrwilkens "Shut the fuck up, scum." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 01:58:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD]Attn cmdrwilkens... Message-ID: Pablo wrote: > OOC: > > Deimos, you are treading on very thin ice. The NRMD is the established > enemy of the GPF, Boyd, SKS, and just about every power in the galaxy except > you. The moment this comes into the open, you are going to be attacked from > every direction with force that you have no chance of resisting. Fair > warning has been issued. Hmm, Boyd Collective and SKS to the north, Klingon Empire tot he south, Former Earth Colonies to the east and west. Time to play the sandwich game. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pablo" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:41:43 -0500 Subject: [TGOD-i] Something not quite right... Message-ID: <9mhh47$27j4d$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de> The GPF robotic cruiser #598 slid through empty space. It was on patrol near SKS space, as part of the joint border defense force. It was sleek, fast, and deadly. The automated vessel had navigated this area of space for months, and was due for a refit in only a few days. As it passed the farthest extent of it's patrol, something flickered at the edge of the GPF sensor net. Being the closest vessel to the disturbance, #598 was dispatched to the source. It folded quickly to the area in the uncolonized galactic west. There was a vessel navigating towards the GPF. A hundred-meter sphere, it conformed to no known Galactic power. It was entering the exclusion zone, so there was only one option. The EMP cannons fired quickly. They encountered a surprisingly resiliant shield, easily a dozen times more powerful than any current vessel of that size. As the shields of the intruder dropped, there was a power surge in her center. It exploded violently, leaving nothing but charred wreckage. #598 tractored one of the large hull pieces. As the piece revolved slowly, a dots-and-comma scipt appeared. It was alien writing that the GPF knew well, spelling out the name of the vessel. #598 took several holos. It quickly interpretted what remained of the name: /B**od of H**oes Glory t* *he Pat*i**chy!/ This was very bad. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Brian Witz" Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:15:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [DTGOD]Attn cmdrwilkens... Message-ID: Post script, as soon as my STGOD counterpart wakes up I will work on setting up that ship sized Stargate tech I was working on for the Fenari Commando teams. The Portals work but you need one on the other end to return. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spyda Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:11:55 +1200 Subject: Re: [TGOD-i] Something not quite right... Message-ID: <3B8CCDFB.5D48555D@paradise.net.nz> Pablo wrote: > > As the shields of the intruder dropped, there was a power surge in her > center. It exploded violently, leaving nothing but charred wreckage. #598 > tractored one of the large hull pieces. As the piece revolved slowly, a > dots-and-comma scipt appeared. It was alien writing that the GPF knew well, > spelling out the name of the vessel. #598 took several holos. It quickly > interpretted what remained of the name: > > /B**od of H**oes > Glory t* *he Pat*i**chy!/ > > This was very bad. There was a flash of blue light as a small ship emerged from dimensional recall. "It's a GPF robotic cruiser sir. It looks like there was a battle here." "Send a message to GPF command. Tell them we picked up the explosion and ask them if they require assistance. In the meantime tractor in some of that wreckage, ARSE command is going to want to see this." "Yes sir!" .................done. The small craft quietly leaves the area and engages its FTL drives. -- http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/spyda ICQ#: 39921647 _ _ _ _ \\ \\ // // \\ || || // _ \\ \\ // // |________________________\\ \\_// //_____________________________ | ____________________ \\/ \// ____________________________/ | /_\ /_\ / |_______________________// | | \\_________________________/ _| // /| |\ \\ // //| |\\ \\ // // \___/ \\ \\ // \\ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 29 Aug 2001 15:25:47 GMT Subject: [DTGOD] Cooling Relations Message-ID: Confederation Network News [Corporate Inertia is a powerful thing] A RHN/Time Warner Company The Department of State announced today that the diplomatic mission to the Vengeful Hegemony of Romulan Wrath was recalled for further consulations regarding the new power bloc between the New Republic Military Dicatorship, which recently invaded the Galaxy and the VHRW. Since word of this pact became public, the Galaxy's major and minors powers have moved to a high state of alert. The Psychonian Empire has decreed that any VHRW flagged ship shall be fired on, and other nations are expected to follow suit. The VHRW is surrounded on all sides by several major powers, including the Boyd Collective, the Kingdom and the Colony Zone [FEC], which is being actively courted by the recently resurgent United Terran Republic. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:28:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD]Attn cmdrwilkens... Message-ID: Colin Brian Witz wrote: > Post script, as soon as my STGOD counterpart wakes up I will work on > setting up that ship sized Stargate tech I was working on for the Fenari > Commando teams. The Portals work but you need one on the other end to > return. Things could get very interesting considering the company he's keeping at the moment and the company the rest of the Fenari are keeping. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kyle Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:04:05 -0400 Subject: [DTGOD] UTR Expansion. Message-ID: <3B8D2085.B8671AD3@Netzero.net> Eagle Squadron of the United Terran Republic Navy today released a report announcing the intention of the planets of Nova Canada, New New England, Free China, Roosevelt and Erythria to join the new born UTR. Each world is highly developed and were among the first wave of planets colonized from Earth. The Camelot Confederacy consisting of over forty planets has also expressed it's interest in joining the UTR. It is expected that if the Camelot Confederacy joins the UTR then the New Argentine Union of almost thirty planets will also joined. If the NAU joins the UTR it is fully expected that this will begin a rapid snowball effect that could unite the entire FEC under the UTR. Eagle Squadron will now be making a brief stop over Nemesis capital of Star Kingdom of Serenity. It is rumored that Rear Admiral Carl will be conducting a summit meeting with top officials of the Star Kingdom and Boyd Collective. In related news, the UTR has declared war on the Vengeful Hegemony of Romulan Wrath. One top naval official when asked if he was worried about the Romulan Phallus and Vanguard classes was able to stop laughing long enough to say this. "No oversized, undergunned, barely shielded, low tech piece of crap is going to threaten the UTRN Fleet. Especially since we have begun deploying SLAM on our warships." Once again a top UTRN official has referenced the mysterious SLAM project, once again refused to provide any more data then that it is now being deployed on all operational warships of Battleship or Dreadnought size, and new construction Capital Ships will also be equipped with it. -==- "Activate Multi-Dee." "Multi-Dimensional Drive is charged and ready to activate." "Begin translation." The seven ships of Eagle Squadron of the UTRN reappeared just outside the Enigma Interdiction Field. "Enigma control. This is Rear Admiral Jon Carl of the United Terran Republic Navy. Requesting routing to Enigma orbit." Now it was time to wait for the SKS to let them through. -- Kyle ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 29 Aug 2001 17:25:22 GMT Subject: Re: [DTGOD] UTR Expansion. Message-ID: Kyle wrote in news:3B8D2085.B8671AD3@Netzero.net: > "Activate Multi-Dee." > ::snarf:: > "Multi-Dimensional Drive is charged and ready to activate." > > "Begin translation." The seven ships of Eagle Squadron of the > UTRN reappeared just outside the Enigma Interdiction Field. > > "Enigma control. This is Rear Admiral Jon Carl of the United > Terran Republic Navy. Requesting routing to Enigma orbit." > > Now it was time to wait for the SKS to let them through. > Eagle Squadron, this is Enigma Control. Active FTL drive on the following flight path, and do not deviate from course. Maintain constant speed of [multiple of c], then revert to realspace at the end coordinate. Failure to comply may result in damage to your ships. Welcome to Engima. ENCON Out. Meanwhile, a high-speed destroyer on a courier mission, carrying two passengers defolded outside of Enigma Naval Base and docked... [Boyd's Observer & I] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:16:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] UTR Expansion. Message-ID: I'd just added more planets for you on the map before reading this. Nice timing :^) -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kyle Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:53:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] UTR Expansion. Message-ID: <3B8D4846.ED26A79D@Netzero.net> Phong Nguyen wrote: > > Meanwhile, a high-speed destroyer on a courier mission, carrying two > passengers defolded outside of Enigma Naval Base and docked... [Boyd's > Observer & I] "Very good, Enigma Control, at this time I'd like to request a secure meeting between myself, a representative of the SKS and a Boyd Representative. Thank You." (Lets move it to e-mail, Phong and Boyd) -- Kyle Thou shalt not provoke ASVS. Thou shalt not bitch about ASVS. Thou shalt not mock ASVS. -SB.com Moderator ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deimos Anomaly Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:15:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD]Attn cmdrwilkens... Message-ID: <3B8D5B7C.B1CD597D@aol.com> Phong Nguyen wrote: > > Jonathan Boyd wrote in > news:B7B2B25E.158CC%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk: > > > Phong Nguyen wrote: > > > >>>> Very well, we will accept your offer. It should be noted that we are > >>>> currently in a declared state of war with every major power in the > >>>> STGOD universe so have fun. > > > >>> Oh goodie. Guess I'll be moving the weapons testing range to Romulan > >>> space now. > > > >> Do you need some help? The Kingdom would assist you in finding a > >> "suitable" range, perhaps for joint use? > > > > Excellent. I thought we'd start with testing a few strategic weapons. > > Never really got a chance to use my star killers. Of course, they're > > rather limited in supply, so we'll have to choose targets carefully. > > What we really want is to observe the effect on a star in a heavily > > populated system, to simulate actual war conditions as closely as > > possible. Any suggestions? > > > Well, I would need to do a live-fire test of our IDSMs, so hold on the > star killers before I test. Lord Deimos sat in the command chair on the bridge of the _Admiral Scheer_. He was reading the latest intelligence report on the Boyd Collective. It appeared they were preparing to launch a first strike with weapons of mass destruction. Tapping an armrest control to open a comm channel, Deimos ordered and extra two thousand ISD-IIs to patrol duty in the Romulus/Remus system. Then he stood. "I'm moving to my quarters for a period. T-8537923, you have the bridge." The T-800 moved to the vacated command chair as Deimos left the bridge. In his quarters, Deimos got on a top-level secure comm channel, transmitted over an obscure frequency and heavily scrambled. His orders were to the captain of the RGV _Vigilance_, which was currently patrolling somewhere in the nearer delta quadrant, between Boyd Collective and SKS space. "You will target ISM's on the following star systems: The Boydingrad system; The Ain Tiar system; And the Biel Tan system. If _any_ launch of a WMD is made at VHRW teritory, especially the Romulo/reman system, you are to launch." Cutting the channel, Deimos then prepared a tranmission to be directed at Boyd Collective space, informing the collective of the re-targeting of the ISM's and the launch-condition orders delivered to the ship captain. -- ___ ___ ___ ___ _____ ___ ___ \ \ / / | | | | | __ \ \ \ / / \ \ / / | |__| | | |_> > \ \ __ / / \ \ / / | __ | | / \ \ / \ / / \ \___/ / | | | | | |\ \ \ \/ /\ \/ / \_____/ |_| |_| |_| \_\ \__/ \__/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pablo" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:24:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [TGOD-i] Something not quite right... Message-ID: <9mjmdm$2fefr$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de> "Spyda" wrote in message news:3B8CCDFB.5D48555D@paradise.net.nz... [snip] ARSE Command There was a reactor malfunction on one of our patrol cruisers. It exploded, but there were fortunately no losses. We would request that you return the wreckage you tractored in, as it constitutes a national secret. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pablo" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:31:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] UTR Expansion. Message-ID: <9mjmqk$2mqqf$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de> "Kyle" wrote in message news:3B8D2085.B8671AD3@Netzero.net... > Eagle Squadron of the United Terran Republic Navy today > released a report announcing the intention of the planets of > Nova Canada, New New England, Free China, Roosevelt and > Erythria to join the new born UTR. Each world is highly > developed and were among the first wave of planets colonized > from Earth. The Camelot Confederacy consisting of over forty > planets has also expressed it's interest in joining the UTR. > It is expected that if the Camelot Confederacy joins the UTR > then the New Argentine Union of almost thirty planets will > also joined. If the NAU joins the UTR it is fully expected > that this will begin a rapid snowball effect that could unite > the entire FEC under the UTR. [snip] The GPF would like to extend an offer to the UTR to go on a guided tour of the Exclusion Zone. If you accept, please conform to the rules you are given. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spyda Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:37:14 +1200 Subject: Re: [TGOD-i] Something not quite right... Message-ID: <3B8D6E9A.385BC88@paradise.net.nz> Pablo wrote: > > "Spyda" wrote in message > news:3B8CCDFB.5D48555D@paradise.net.nz... > [snip] > > ARSE Command > > There was a reactor malfunction on one of our patrol cruisers. It exploded, > but there were fortunately no losses. > > We would request that you return the wreckage you tractored in, as it > constitutes a national secret. With the drives already engaged and the DR beacon already activated deep inside ARSE territory, the small craft was sucked back through dimensional recall shortly before it could respond. ARSE command: "We have just recieved your message. We apologize that we were unable to stop the ship in time before it left the area. The fragment of wreckage will be returned post haste. Please accept a complimentary bottle of bourbon and our apologies." -- http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/spyda ICQ#: 39921647 _ _ _ _ \\ \\ // // \\ || || // _ \\ \\ // // |________________________\\ \\_// //_____________________________ | ____________________ \\/ \// ____________________________/ | /_\ /_\ / |_______________________// | | \\_________________________/ _| // /| |\ \\ // //| |\\ \\ // // \___/ \\ \\ // \\ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pablo" Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:48:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [TGOD-i] Something not quite right... Message-ID: <9mjraf$2ghdn$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de> "Spyda" wrote in message news:3B8D6E9A.385BC88@paradise.net.nz... > > With the drives already engaged and the DR beacon already activated deep > inside ARSE territory, the small craft was sucked back through > dimensional recall shortly before it could respond. > > ARSE command: "We have just recieved your message. We apologize that we > were unable to stop the ship in time before it left the area. The > fragment of wreckage will be returned post haste. Please accept a > complimentary bottle of bourbon and our apologies." Your answer is acceptable. However, neither bourbon nor apologies are necessary. However, we will accept the Bourbon, because you certainly don't need any more alcohol. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spyda Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:30:07 +1200 Subject: Re: [TGOD-i] Something not quite right... Message-ID: <3B8D7AFF.DDE29565@paradise.net.nz> Pablo wrote: > > Your answer is acceptable. However, neither bourbon nor apologies are > necessary. > > However, we will accept the Bourbon, because you certainly don't need any > more alcohol. A small craft carrying the wreckage and a bottle of bourbon appears, releases it's cargo pod, and then retreats through dimensional recall. -- http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/spyda ICQ#: 39921647 _ _ _ _ \\ \\ // // \\ || || // _ \\ \\ // // |________________________\\ \\_// //_____________________________ | ____________________ \\/ \// ____________________________/ | /_\ /_\ / |_______________________// | | \\_________________________/ _| // /| |\ \\ // //| |\\ \\ // // \___/ \\ \\ // \\ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:27:37 GMT Subject: Re: [TGOD-i] Something not quite right... Message-ID: "Pablo" wrote in message news:9mjraf$2ghdn$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de... > > Your answer is acceptable. However, neither bourbon nor apologies are > necessary. > > However, we will accept the Bourbon, because you certainly don't need any > more alcohol. > HERETIC, you must burn. There can never be such a thing as "too much alcohol." -- cmdrwilkens AIM: cmdrwilkens "Shut the fuck up, scum." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Enigma" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 04:57:35 GMT Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Cooling Relations Message-ID: <3Jjj7.22440$w75.9341701@news3.rdc2.on.home.com> "Phong Nguyen" wrote in message news:Xns910C7461461D0phongnguyenusanet@130.133.1.4... > Confederation Network News [Corporate Inertia is a powerful thing] > A RHN/Time Warner Company > > The Department of State announced today that the diplomatic mission to > the Vengeful Hegemony of Romulan Wrath was recalled for further > consulations regarding the new power bloc between the New Republic > Military Dicatorship, which recently invaded the Galaxy and the VHRW. > > Since word of this pact became public, the Galaxy's major and minors > powers have moved to a high state of alert. The Psychonian Empire has > decreed that any VHRW flagged ship shall be fired on, and other nations > are expected to follow suit. It's been decreed at the end of the Election wars not because of the unholy alliance. Deimos crossed my path and defied the Psychonian Empire and now he'll pay. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris O'Farrell" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 11:31:55 GMT Subject: Re: [DTGOD] UTR Expansion. Message-ID: The NOFR would also like to formalise relations with the establishment of a diplomatic mission on Terra.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 30 Aug 2001 12:10:32 GMT Subject: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: <20010830081032.01557.00003224@mb-cj.aol.com> The data was coming back. And such impressive data it was, at that. And valuable data; more like incredible. The Robotech Merchantile Empire had successfully conquered all the most valuable areas of their galaxy. The Clone Triumvirate speaking in linked telepathy at this moment in regards to the images before them understand that they now saw a galaxy before them that was utterly identical to their own; another dimension. And one in which they had no contact with an alternate Robotech Merchantile Empire. That had already been attempted through the usual methods and even through protoculture boosted telepathy from the 11th Triumvirate. The Perfect Society did not exist there; the one option therefore was conquest. The resources would be tremendous and possibly untapped. The Invid would still be on Optera, and Optera would be untouched. The mistakes would not be repeated.. Optera would not be just defoliated... The Invid species could easily be exterminated in this new galaxy! These were the thoughts that had passed through three minds that thought as one; the Eleventh Triumvirate. Sythara activated a control on the floating platform in the Mothership. "Establish a communications channel to Lord Harri; we need his service." The voice was one of the composed control of inhuman centuries. Oh yes, Tirolians were quite humans. But the preservation process of these clones, their creation in the first place, was something rather different. The eyes, an incredible intensity of purple, the hair, the darkest of a green, almost lucious in that colour; but not supple at all. They all looked young; eternally youthful. With Protoculture their lifespans were literally infinite. As long as they had it, the Robotech Masters were immortal and they knew the implications. They thought like immortals. But there was something wrong; young women who were not young. Something taken away; that faintly blue tinted pale skin that was somehow wizened even though it was most assuredly not; a living contradiction. And so thin, so very thin; perhaps that was the thing that made them seem that way. They were thin nearly to the point of emanciation and yet this was normal and did not bother them. Fragile in that sense; but the only relevent thing to them were their minds and their identical natures. They were three; they were perfection. And those three clones were the most powerful people in their own galaxy at the moment, with the powers granted them. Shortly they would be branching out. There had been no response to Sythara's call. Courtesy had been replaced by efficiency. A few moments later, Lord Harri of the Zentraedi appeared on their screen, bowing low to his Masters; to the coldness of those clones, the gender connotation of the name was irrelevant. "Glory to the Masters!" The salute followed. "You have work for me, Masters?" he inquired. The Zentraedi had been challenged in hunting the Invid remnants, of course, but the Tirolian forces had been getting a fair amount of the action recently to his annoyance. "Lord Harri, we know your service." Tyzelra stated; there was no expression at the brightening of pride on the Zentraedi's face, though inwardly she was pleased as she always was when something psychological went well; the members of a Clone Triumvirate were in fact individuals in their interests. It was merely very, very hard to tell that at times. Tyzelra's was in maintaining moral and, effectively, propaganda. The hobbies of Masters always tended towards such things of power. "And so we do have work for you, Lord Harri," Sythara murmured; her eyes, previously half-lidded, opening. "It involves a discovey a Tirolian force made and we must now exploit swiftly. My sister; please provide his lordship with the details." "My apologies, Masters, but might I first call my Domillan here so that he might also listen and record?" Lord Harri asked politely. Mythelra nodded and waited for the Domillan to approach and bow to the screen. "Glory to the Masters!" The shorter Zentraedi spoke. "I am Dalthas, Masters, he who lives to serve you." "Very well; we shall begin then," Mythelra murmured, and then spoke up, raising her voice from the soft pitch of an intellectual to one that could carry, that of command, though that which she was reciting was distinctly of an intellectual nature. "We have discovered a spatial anomaly; the coordinates should not be securely transmitted if the remaining Invid might hear. Beyond it we found an identical copy of our galaxy, except that the Robotech Merchantile Empire does not exist. It is our intention to exploit this galaxy as rapidly as possible. Powers within it shall be swept aside as necessary; they exist, but none are near the gate and we have already secured many weak planets with more for the offing. For the moment we simply need to secure territory, and for that we need the troopships of the Grand Fleet." "Our main goal, of course, is to secure the alternate-universe's version of Optera at all costs to double our supply of Protoculture. Once that is done the reign of the Robotech Merchantile Empire will truly be secure for all time. To avoid a second Invid Problem, when the planet is located and we land, it should be your principle duty to carry out the swift and total extermination of the alternate Invid species; we will not repeat the mistake of the glorious but erred Elders!" Mythelra finished, and Tyzelra looked intently to the two Zentraedi then. "Lord Harri, how many Quiltra Queleual class Landing Ships do you have in your fleet? Our Fortresses and Battlecruisers operating with Scouts and Cruisers on the other side of this anomaly have captured sixty-two planets since it is discovered. We must start a rapid conquest before any sort of defense can be organized against us, in addition to a lunge against Optera." "There are over four hundred and twelve thousand Quiltra Queleual class Landing Ships in the Grand Fleet, Master," Lord Harri replied. "Four hundred and twelve thousand, eight hundred and nine, to be exact," the Domillan added. "However, some are underway replenishment vessels and Protoculture tankers. Eighty-six thousand two hundred and fifty three underway replenishment vessels and Sixty thousand, seven hundred tankers, Master." "All the landing ships proper will be needed," Tyzelra said as a ghost of a smile came across that face. "With the typical compliment of twelve thousand mechanized infantry, a full air group, and two thousand support personnel each, we are speaking of over three billion Zentraedi Infantry with their ground combat mecha; it should be sufficient to storm through a sufficient beach-head to allow us to effect the conquest of this galaxy at our leisure." She waved her hand to keep the Domillan from giving her the exact number of troops she was speaking of; she didn't need it for her calculations. "How many ships can you detail to support the Landing Ships, Lord Harri?" Sythara querried. "Four Inspection Fleets; Eight Hundred Thousand Zentraedi warships, Master, or a fleet comparable to our Grand Fleet during the Ci'Vonian War when we were victorious over the rebels," he replied promptly. "You cannot send a full Imperial Fleet, Lord Harri?" Mythelra asked. "I fear not, Master. I will need another two hundred thousand ships to be sure of hunting down the Invid remnants in the next two weeks. After that, I can detail a full Imperial fleet in addition to these ships, however, the predictions indicate. Six weeks after that, the entire Grand Fleet should be available for deployment." And there came a chilling smile; one that pleased the Triumvirate greatly. Nearly eight million warships, now, the extreme bulk of Zentraedi strength, though that included support ships and scout ships. There were perhaps as many as twelve million Zentraedi ships operational in the entire Robotech Merchantile Empire and another two million in mothballs. As the war against the Invid had gained momentum, as Protoculture production had increased, the fleet had nearly doubled from the six to seven million ships it had a mere two centuries prior. And that wasn't even counting the Tirolian Navy or the Robotech Masters and their private fleets and Motherships; which were much smaller forces in numbers but more technologically advanced. The decision was made in this case. The three were in agreement, though Mythelra had some reservations about the method. Not enough. "Send the four Inspection Fleets, Lord Harri, and the Landing Ships, and the Replenishment Ships and Tankers that will be necessary. That is all," Sythara finished the session. The two Zentraedi saluted. "I live to fulfill the Imperative!" they each said, simultaniously, and then the connection was broken. After that, the Triumvirate quietly discussed their concerns and awaited the arrival of the fleet through Fold Space. "I am concerned that the lack of proper escort for the landing ships will be dangerous if we are attacked," Mythelra stated aloud; that was enough to indicate it was a serious concern. ~My sister, remember that they will be unorganized and are not Invid. We will likely have a while to prepare our holdings. We will send a force against Optera immediately, of course. If it is held by one of their powers we will have war against them... But not against the others.~ Tyzelra finished. ~I know your thoughts;~ Sythara added. ~You are concerned that the depopulation of Optera will ignite hostility against us because of the emotional sentimentality of unperfected species.~ ~Precisely, sisters. Though it is clearly necessary, as the Invid can never be but threats to all, even the unperfect and emotional lesser beings, we know that they will not know this.~ There was warmth in it; the only genuine affection that could exist for these cold, hardened hearts existed between each other, within Triumvirates. It was just of a kind utterly incomprehendable to a person who was not part of one. The data was coming back. And such impressive data it was, at that. And valuable data; more like incredible. The Robotech Merchantile Empire had successfully conquered all the most valuable areas of their galaxy. The Clone Triumvirate speaking in linked telepathy at this moment in regards to the images before them understand that they now saw a galaxy before them that was utterly identical to their own; another dimension. And one in which they had no contact with an alternate Robotech Merchantile Empire. That had already been attempted through the usual methods and even through protoculture boosted telepathy from the 11th Triumvirate. The Perfect Society did not exist there; the one option therefore was conquest. The resources would be tremendous and possibly untapped. The Invid would still be on Optera, and Optera would be untouched. The mistakes would not be repeated.. Optera would not be just defoliated... The Invid species could easily be exterminated in this new galaxy! These were the thoughts that had passed through three minds that thought as one; the Eleventh Triumvirate. They had already communicated intent and received permission from the Masters Triumvirates over Tirol. Now it was time to begin; they wanted this as much, and in some cases more, than the Eleventh did. Sythara activated a control on the floating platform in the Mothership. "Establish a communications channel to Lord Harri; we need his service." The voice was one of the composed control of inhuman centuries. Oh yes, Tirolians were quite humans. But the preservation process of these clones, their creation in the first place, was something rather different. The eyes, an incredible intensity of purple, the hair, the darkest of a green, almost lucious in that colour; but not supple at all. They all looked young; eternally youthful. With Protoculture their lifespans were literally infinite. As long as they had it, the Robotech Masters were immortal and they knew the implications. They thought like immortals. But there was something wrong; young women who were not young. Something taken away; that faintly blue tinted pale skin that was somehow wizened even though it was most assuredly not; a living contradiction. And so thin, so very thin; perhaps that was the thing that made them seem that way. They were thin nearly to the point of emanciation and yet this was normal and did not bother them. Fragile in that sense; but the only relevent thing to them were their minds and their identical natures. They were three; they were perfection. And those three clones were the most powerful people in their own galaxy at the moment, with the powers granted them. Shortly they would be branching out. There had been no response to Sythara's call. Courtesy had been replaced by efficiency. A few moments later, Lord Harri of the Zentraedi appeared on their screen, bowing low to his Masters; to the coldness of those clones, the gender connotation of the name was irrelevant. "Glory to the Masters!" The salute followed. "You have work for me, Masters?" he inquired. The Zentraedi had been challenged in hunting the Invid remnants, of course, but the Tirolian forces had been getting a fair amount of the action recently to his annoyance. "Lord Harri, we know your service." Tyzelra stated; there was no expression at the brightening of pride on the Zentraedi's face, though inwardly she was pleased as she always was when something psychological went well; the members of a Clone Triumvirate were in fact individuals in their interests. It was merely very, very hard to tell that at times. Tyzelra's was in maintaining moral and, effectively, propaganda. The hobbies of Masters always tended towards such things of power. "And so we do have work for you, Lord Harri," Sythara murmured; her eyes, previously half-lidded, opening. "It involves a discovey a Tirolian force made and we must now exploit swiftly. My sister; please provide his lordship with the details." "My apologies, Masters, but might I first call my Domillan here so that he might also listen and record?" Lord Harri asked politely. Mythelra nodded and waited for the Domillan to approach and bow to the screen. "Glory to the Masters!" The shorter Zentraedi spoke. "I am Dalthas, Masters, he who lives to serve you." "Very well; we shall begin then," Mythelra murmured, and then spoke up, raising her voice from the soft pitch of an intellectual to one that could carry, that of command, though that which she was reciting was distinctly of an intellectual nature. "We have discovered a spatial anomaly; the coordinates should not be securely transmitted if the remaining Invid might hear. Beyond it we found an identical copy of our galaxy, except that the Robotech Merchantile Empire does not exist. It is our intention to exploit this galaxy as rapidly as possible. Powers within it shall be swept aside as necessary; they exist, but none are near the gate and we have already secured many weak planets with more for the offing. For the moment we simply need to secure territory, and for that we need the troopships of the Grand Fleet." "Our main goal, of course, is to secure the alternate-universe's version of Optera at all costs to double our supply of Protoculture. Once that is done the reign of the Robotech Merchantile Empire will truly be secure for all time. To avoid a second Invid Problem, when the planet is located and we land, it should be your principle duty to carry out the swift and total extermination of the alternate Invid species; we will not repeat the mistake of the glorious but erred Elders!" Mythelra finished, and Tyzelra looked intently to the two Zentraedi then. "Lord Harri, how many Quiltra Queleual class Landing Ships do you have in your fleet? Our Fortresses and Battlecruisers operating with Scouts and Cruisers on the other side of this anomaly have captured sixty-two planets since it is discovered. We must start a rapid conquest before any sort of defense can be organized against us, in addition to a lunge against Optera." "There are over four hundred and twelve thousand Quiltra Queleual class Landing Ships in the Grand Fleet, Master," Lord Harri replied. "Four hundred and twelve thousand, eight hundred and nine, to be exact," the Domillan added. "However, some are underway replenishment vessels and Protoculture tankers. Eighty-six thousand two hundred and fifty three underway replenishment vessels and Sixty thousand, seven hundred tankers, Master." "All the landing ships proper will be needed," Tyzelra said as a ghost of a smile came across that face. "With the typical compliment of twelve thousand mechanized infantry, a full air group, and two thousand support personnel each, we are speaking of over three billion Zentraedi Infantry with their ground combat mecha; it should be sufficient to storm through a sufficient beach-head to allow us to effect the conquest of this galaxy at our leisure." She waved her hand to keep the Domillan from giving her the exact number of troops she was speaking of; she didn't need it for her calculations. "How many ships can you detail to support the Landing Ships, Lord Harri?" Sythara querried. "Four Inspection Fleets; Eight Hundred Thousand Zentraedi warships, Master, or a fleet comparable to our Grand Fleet during the Ci'Vonian War when we were victorious over the rebels," he replied promptly. "You cannot send a full Imperial Fleet, Lord Harri?" Mythelra asked. "I fear not, Master. I will need another two hundred thousand ships to be sure of hunting down the Invid remnants in the next two weeks. After that, I can detail a full Imperial fleet in addition to these ships, however, the predictions indicate. Six weeks after that, the entire Grand Fleet should be available for deployment." And there came a chilling smile; one that pleased the Triumvirate greatly. Nearly eight million warships, now, the extreme bulk of Zentraedi strength, though that included support ships and scout ships. There were perhaps as many as twelve million Zentraedi ships operational in the entire Robotech Merchantile Empire and another two million in mothballs. As the war against the Invid had gained momentum, as Protoculture production had increased, the fleet had nearly doubled from the six to seven million ships it had a mere two centuries prior. And that wasn't even counting the Tirolian Navy or the Robotech Masters and their private fleets and Motherships; which were much smaller forces in numbers but more technologically advanced. The decision was made in this case. The three were in agreement, though Mythelra had some reservations about the method. Not enough. "Send the four Inspection Fleets, Lord Harri, and the Landing Ships, and the Replenishment Ships and Tankers that will be necessary. That is all," Sythara finished the session. The two Zentraedi saluted. "I live to fulfill the Imperative!" they each said, simultaniously, and then the connection was broken. After that, the Triumvirate quietly discussed their concerns and awaited the arrival of the fleet through Fold Space. "I am concerned that the lack of proper escort for the landing ships will be dangerous if we are attacked," Mythelra stated aloud; that was enough to indicate it was a serious concern. ~My sister, remember that they will be unorganized and are not Invid. We will likely have a while to prepare our holdings. We will send a force against Optera immediately, of course. If it is held by one of their powers we will have war against them... But not against the others.~ Tyzelra finished. ~I know your thoughts;~ Sythara added. ~You are concerned that the depopulation of Optera will ignite hostility against us because of the emotional sentimentality of unperfected species.~ ~Precisely, sisters. Though it is clearly necessary, as the Invid can never be but threats to all, even the unperfect and emotional lesser beings, we know that they will not know this.~ There was warmth in it; the only genuine affection that could exist for these cold, hardened hearts existed between each other, within Triumvirates. It was just of a kind utterly incomprehendable to a person who was not part of one. ~Well, sister, we can recall all of our available Tirolian and our own personal forces to augment the defenses. This should be sufficient, and will make Lord Harri pleased as he finishes off the Invid Remnants.~ Tyzelra offered; and it was acceptable. As they spoke mentally, they also gave the verbal or typed out the computer commands alerting their control squadron and support fleets of the arrival of the Zentraedi; multitasking was a mild understatement here. Finally, that fleet, over a million two hundred thousand strong when one counted the Landing Ships and Support Vessels, folded in. A brilliant ring of fire around a blazing sunlike apparition in deep space where nothing had been a moment before; and then the ships were simply there. "Order the Zentraedi ships through, into the Spatial Anomaly. Then we follow with our support vessels and Tirolian naval forces," Sythara again spoke softly, from their hovering command pod, to the communications center in the massive mothership; which, in addition to being a carrier, battleship, and near super-weapon (When having a full load of Protoculture, at any rate), also contained a planned city populated with groups of clone-triplets. Thrusting forward, the Zentraedi Armada went through the Spatial Anomaly, line after line, rank after rank, squadron after squadron. Following on thrust-drives when the Sian Macross class Battlefortresses of the Tirolian Border Fleet, Seron Ameg class Battlecruisers, also of the Border Fleet with more advanced Gravitic Drives, though smaller, keeping their flanks, and Tou Salaam Picket Cruisers, of the same organization, arranged outwards. They numbered altogether around twenty-eight thousand ships of the three classes altogether; it was a notable portion of the Border Fleet when one considered there were three thousand more ships of those classes already on the other side; Compared with millions of ships of Zentraedi classes, only 115,000 Sian Macross class ships, for example, were planned for the Border Fleets and some more for special forces. But these ships had an advantage only the flagships and monitors of the Zentraedi could match. They carried Reflex Cannon and shields. The Mothership came next, gracefully operating on Gravitic drives. Named the Asbilledes, translating as "Forefront of Advancement", It was an inelegant and asysmetrical shape and some 7,260 meters long, nearly as wide, and rather high, with odd constructs on the hull for sensors and command facilities, some like Ziggurats or Step Pyramids. That hull, though, was awesomely armoured and adapted to withstand energy of incredible amount and any type short of a reflex cannon or direct kinetic impact. The sensors had a range of not less than 30,000 Light Years. Packed onto this were massively layered, honeycombed shields.. And the masses and masses of anti-fighter and anti-missile weapons, in addition to anti-ship weapons and fighter and assault corvettes. Finally, the Reflex Cannon, which on these ships could now be augmented by dumping the anti-matter of the Gravitic drive's capacitator into a jacketed beam within that of the Reflex Cannon, considerably increasing the force of even that most awesome of weapons, though it left the ship motionless for a time to recharge the drives. Escorted by hordes of Destroyers with, like the Tirolian ships, Reflex Cannon and shields; Gravitic drives on all of those, also. Maneuverable and very, very powerful and deadly for their size, being 386 meters long overall and yet packed to give a fight that was most surpressing to someone used to the Zentraedi ships that relied on bulk, massed particle beams and missile salvoes, shock tactics.. And insane ferocity. And around the destroyers, and among them, Pocket Battleships and Research Vessels and Transports. Thousands of destroyers, hundreds of each of the others. This last of the fleets drifted through silently in the deathless black; a few minutes of incomprehensible colours that the Triumvirate amused themselves with by attempting to comprehend, in a way that those ageless eyes could stand without insanity or pain, and they were in another galaxy; almost their own, but not quite. Then it was time for business. Calmly, they divided the Zentraedi fleet and the Tirolian Border Fleet into escort groups for the Zentraedi Landing Ships, detailing planets for them to conquer, and sending them off in a never-ending stream, rapidly filling the area of space around them with planned conquests of the days ahead... An area of space that would grow with stunning rapidity; their fleet could literally conquer ten thousand planets simultaniously if they were lightly defended. That was the advantage of numbers; if your opponent could not either concentrate his forces or have an awesome technological advantage, as these unaligned planets had neither, they would inevitable fall with incredible speed to the Robotech Merchantile Empire, for then it could spread out its individually weak forces and still win. As the hours went by, thousands of planets were conquered. They took losses, sometimes heavy, but they conquered; and worse yet, as they did, they inevitably gained some.. Interesting.. technology. It would take weeks or months for that to filter back, but it was now in their hands. One fleet was rallied behind, though. Made up of mixed Zentraedi warships and ships of the Triumvirate's scientific and transport vessels, and then their destroyers and some Border Fleet vessels. Once the conquest details had been sent out, it was dispatched, to the known location of this universe's Optera. Identical nature had wonderous advantages. Then the Eleventh Triumvirate, those young-ancient clone sisters, settled into wait; a mixed force of over 10,000 warships of all three fleets escorting 2,800 transports to Optera to take it and hold it for the Robotech Merchantile Empire. That might bring war with someone, but that would be the one war at the moment with more than singular planets or small confederations that was important enough for them to risk. As communications were analyzed, and the Zentraedi, those cloned giant-warriors of over ten meters tall, continued their Blitzkrieg, coming in with fleets of perhaps 80 Zentraedi warships and 2 Tirolian Border Fleet warships escorting over 20 Landing Ships; launching their hordes of mecha and fighters, engaging defensive forces, landing the troops, letting the ground mecha smash resistance and capture the planet. Word traveled rapidly through the galaxy, but this was a new kind of warfare; shock tactics based on stupendous numbers without serious regard for technological advancement, firepower, or defensive capabilities. Their own galaxy had developed the weaponry to defend against it, of course. This one hadn't, and it paid the price. On board the Mothership of the Eleventh Triumvirate, the reports were good. At the current rate, it had been one day already and they had conquered twenty-thousand planets. In another day, they would conquer another twenty-thousand planets, for a total of fourty-thousand. After that, they would halt, leaving a garrison of around an average of 80,000 Zentraedi on each conquered planet along with a smaller number of Tirolian Bioroid troops. Some had more, some less, depending on their populations and the conditions. Beyond that they could not go; it would be utterly impossible for the Robotech Merchantile Empire to support the conquest of more than 60,000 planets before it ran out of available troops; more would have to be cloned, and there were limitations on that. And, unfourtunately, the troops available for the conquest of another twenty thousand were not with them. Also unfourtunate were the fast drive systems of the local Empires, which were clearly more powerful than expected despite their primitive reactors. Now the locals would have detailed reports, and might be sufficiently out of the stunned stupors of the Merchantile Empire's actions to make a response of some sort. In three more days, the expedition to Optera would arrive. Not much longer, now, and it had decent distances to cross in territory that, though known.. Was also unknown. An odd situation. Ultimately, the logistics train would force them to grind to a halt after seizing only 40,000 planets. That, and their need to respect the borders of the nations here until they were sure of their enemies.. And who controlled Optera, and therefore who they would fight; they knew the borders here, but those at a distance, not precisely enough. The maps they had showed border strips as wide as hundreds of lightyears and no specific planets; unacceptable to the unyielding perfection of the Masters. They would wait for their own cartography and amuse their subjects with those maps. And so they would wait; it wouldn't be long now, not long at all, until they were once again challenged in the skills that the perfect of Three, of the Triumvirate, had granted them, and for this they were eager. Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 30 Aug 2001 12:23:30 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: <20010830082330.01508.00003473@mb-cj.aol.com> Note to Moderators: I should say that the Conquests are ongoing. It just takes about twelve hours for a fleet to travel to a target planet, crush all orbital opposition, clear the skies, and land the ground forces. With 10,000 fleets, they have hence been able to get the ground forces and air support on 20,000 planets in a space of 24 hours. Resistance on those planets, even against 80,000 Zentraedi, each with his or her own Mecha, and 6,000 Tirolians with Bioroid Mecha, along with air support, would of course be eventually futile, but would not be impossible and still ongoing, obviously still on the second batch of planets. Unless, of course, they thought better of it and surrendered immediately. All said, the conquest is not really brutal; more like indifferent. But unless control of the region of space in that area changes from the Robotech Merchantile Empire, which seems unlikely, as nobody knows their intentions, and they've (Yet) to violate any territorial boundaries, those planets are inevitably going to be subdued. Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris O'Farrell" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:20:10 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: Aproxemently six thousand light years away from the anomoly was a ship. Though not realy just any ship. Deep in the space of the Star Kingdom where technicaly it had little right to be this ship was the _Tripetz_, An Omega class Command ship and current flagship of the New O'Farrell Republic. Her massive profile was black on black, with no local star to illuminate it, the icy smoth and advanced Shadow Bioarmour covering her neutronium skin had the quaint effect of totaly vanishing against the black of space appart from the stars she bloted out behind her. She was somewhat invisable at the moment. Not cloaked per sea but simply running quitly with all passive ECM systems active and keeping the ship unseen to the long range scans flowing over her. One scanwave, that are the Star Kingdom was expected. Another, one of Macross bassed technology was not. While those sensors washed over the silent ship without betraying her presence, the opposite was not true. The hyperadvanced class II-A sensors on the massive ship even on passive mode pulled astonishing levels of detail of the swarm (such an apt term Chris thought to himself) that had entered space between the Collective and Star Kingdom. The ships computers automaticly built up the Order of battle for the newcommers, comms signals were downloaded for decryption and analysis and the massive holoprojector in the command center displayed the fleet as it gathered strength from countles reversions into the Galaxy. His crew knew better then to talk to him when he was studying with THAT quite look. The problem was preaty clear. What to do about it was not. His own forces in this galaxy war far far too little to stop that, in fact judging by the numbers it would take a coperative effort the galaxy had not seen since the days of the last troll war. While external threats DID tend to unite foes together, it took much time. And given the ship numbers he saw, by the time THAT happaned, these newcommers would no dobut be in posesion of half the galactic core, entrenched and receiving even MORE ships. There was realy only one person he could hope could unite the factions into a force enough to take on the invaders (which are far as HE was concerned they clearly were). Kynes. Oh well, he had been wanting to go to Earth for a time. But he could hardly take THIS ship in, it would be somewhat un-diplomatic to charge in with a ship that had enuogh firepower to wipe out the solar system (save Terra herself). He ordered his personal ship prepared after quickly sending off urgent messages to the Admiral of the Star Kingdom and leader of the new United Terran Republic. Then he opnened his mind. His abilities with the force were raw. He knew that. He had tried his best NOT to develop them seeing what happened to people like Darth Transcend when things went wrong. But he did have some basic skill. He sent a mental message to Kynes who he knew SHOULD still be around somewhere on Earth pleding for an audience. No reply came and what THAT ment he didn't know. His personal crusier was powered up in its internal bay and with a roar of a catapult was flung into space, where it vanished into the milky blue tunnel of slipsteam, leaving the _Tripetz_ to turn and jump rimward, leaving the area once again truely empty. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:54:32 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Cooling Relations Message-ID: Phong Nguyen wrote: > Confederation Network News [Corporate Inertia is a powerful thing] > A RHN/Time Warner Company > The Department of State announced today that the diplomatic mission to > the Vengeful Hegemony of Romulan Wrath was recalled for further > consulations regarding the new power bloc between the New Republic > Military Dicatorship, which recently invaded the Galaxy and the VHRW. > Since word of this pact became public, the Galaxy's major and minors > powers have moved to a high state of alert. The Psychonian Empire has > decreed that any VHRW flagged ship shall be fired on, and other nations > are expected to follow suit. > The VHRW is surrounded on all sides by several major powers, including > the Boyd Collective, the Kingdom and the Colony Zone [FEC], which is > being actively courted by the recently resurgent United Terran Republic. We have word now of a breaking story along the Boyd Collective/Star Kingdom of Serenity southern border. Scientists working in observatories near the border have detected massive energy releases, consistent in magnitude with SKS weapons fire. Several hours prior to the report, a large fleet of SKS warships were spotted en-route to the border. The SKS Navy has so far declined to comment and all communication lines to the Collective are jammed. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:54:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] UTR Expansion. Message-ID: Kyle wrote: >>> Now it was time to wait for the SKS to let them through. >> Eagle Squadron, this is Enigma Control. Active FTL drive on the following >> flight path, and do not deviate from course. Maintain constant speed of >> [multiple of c], then revert to realspace at the end coordinate. Failure >> to comply may result in damage to your ships. Welcome to Engima. ENCON >> Out. >> Meanwhile, a high-speed destroyer on a courier mission, carrying two >> passengers defolded outside of Enigma Naval Base and docked... [Boyd's >> Observer & I] > "Very good, Enigma Control, at this time I'd like to request a secure meeting > between myself, a representative of the SKS and a Boyd Representative. Thank > You." > (Lets move it to e-mail, Phong and Boyd) Isn't that always the way with us? -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 30 Aug 2001 14:16:02 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <20010830101602.00740.00006430@mb-mm.aol.com> General note: Based on one of the best firepower scaling scenes in Robotech, where a single massed salvo from the Imperial Fleet annihilates an earthlike planet as a demonstrate to Micronian prisoners, I have been able to calculate the actual firepower of a Thuverl Salan class Heavy Cruiser. It's probably in excess over that the numbers of the Robotech website gives; those couldn't scratch the paint on most Imperial vessels. The ability of a single salvo from 1,000,000 ships to BDZ a planet with all the effects, including a brief but total melting of the surface, as an ISD is capable of in the timeframe of an hour.. Combined with the factors that the missile weapons did not fire, nor did the flank or aft beam weapons, allows me to compute the firepower of a Thuverl Salan class Heavy Cruiser, as that's the baseline vessel; I'm using it as the "average" to scale out from. The Thuverl Salan class Heavy Cruiser has 1/30th the firepower of an ISD. Though they have no shields, they have considerably larger hulls with these dimensions: Length: 2018 m over all. Height: 756 m over all. Width : 510 m over all. Mass : 39,500,000 metric tons operational (typical). Fuel mass: 16,000,000 metric tons maximum (typical). That considered, I would judge that the survivability is roughly comparable to the ratio of firepower despite the lack of shields; possibly a bit higher, especially since Robotech ships are less given to violent, explosive ends, disintegrating at worst or often drifting as hulks. The likely conclusion is that 30 Thuverl Salan class Heavy Cruisers should compare to an ISD, and by weight of the nearly 1,600 space-combat mecha and fighters that EACH carries would win, even though they'd be inferior to TIEs. I'm using the ISD as comparison so that you can in turn compare them to your own fleets. Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 30 Aug 2001 14:30:24 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Final Notes) Message-ID: <20010830103024.00846.00005799@mb-mm.aol.com> Based on a typical galaxy with tens of millions habitable planets, I assumed that within the unclaimed area noted there would be on the order of 60,000 planets inhabited by sentient species; the Masters will ignore the uninhabited planets until they can call up additional Zentraedi soldiers to garrison them, which takes time. They decided to act swiftly, and the very numbers of their fleet allows them to seize and hold an awesome amount of ground, but on a scale that large even their cloning systems and fleet train are going to be stretched; I suppose that they could end up having to deal with secret bases that get placed on uninhabited planets while they're waiting for the troops to garrison them. But, it seemed like an area like that would easily hold a few tens of thousands of planets of them to conquer.. And enough left over for them to be annoyed about the lack of having the full strength of the Zentraedi Armada available. I love the vast scale of doing things galactically! Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Namothil Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 14:51:03 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: In article <20010830101602.00740.00006430@mb-mm.aol.com>, Maj Svetlanna says... > > > General note: > > Based on one of the best firepower scaling scenes in Robotech, where a single >massed salvo from the Imperial Fleet annihilates an earthlike planet as a >demonstrate to Micronian prisoners, I have been able to calculate the actual >firepower of a Thuverl Salan class Heavy Cruiser. > > It's probably in excess over that the numbers of the Robotech website gives; >those couldn't scratch the paint on most Imperial vessels. The ability of a >single salvo from 1,000,000 ships to BDZ a planet with all the effects, >including a brief but total melting of the surface, as an ISD is capable of in >the timeframe of an hour.. Quite a relief. After reading the website Phong provided a URL for, I was beginning to wonder if this invasion would even affect the minor powers. (Let alone the major ones.) The numbers there would leave even the reflex cannon having difficulty with my fighters. (65 MT shots? This is supposed to be powerful?) These figures should lead to an interesting conflict, at least. >Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with >dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi >Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. James 3:13 Email:ray1@purdue.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 30 Aug 2001 14:58:20 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) wrote in news:20010830081032.01557.00003224@mb-cj.aol.com: > Word traveled rapidly through the galaxy, but this was a new kind of > warfare; > shock tactics based on stupendous numbers without serious regard for > technological advancement, firepower, or defensive capabilities. Their > own galaxy had developed the weaponry to defend against it, of course. > This one hadn't, and it paid the price. > They're called the Boyd (and to a lesser extent, the Trolls. The minor powers haven't the tactics...but the major ones do. The data was coming back. Early Warning systems in the Northwest Quadrant were screaming alarms of a massive invasion. Untold numbers of fold signatures were rapidly expanding from a single uncharted system, and high-resolution scans were detecting weapons discharges. Probes were immediately sent out to gather more detailed information. Safe within the confines of hyperspace and phase-cloak, they saw their opponents. Vast armadas of strange looking warships bombarded plants, subjugated all resistance. Despite the technological superiority of the defenders, all resistance was swept aside. Planatary shields were expensive, and it was rare for the smaller independant worlds to procure them - and now they were paying the price. Defensive systems were simply overburdened trying to destroy that many ships, and invariably fell to the horde. Some of the data was reassuring. Their standard weapons discharges were of remarkably low power, but many of their warships mounted axial reflex cannon. There were no signs of turreted mounts anywhere. That, at least, lent a tactical advantage, if not numerical. A fleet could maneuver to face the rear or sides and open fire with near-impunity...and the enemy's gravitic drives seem rather slow. Most of their warships also seemed to lack shields, only a few were tracked to carry some, and rather weak ones at that. But what the ships carried were another problem entirely. Hordes of space-capable powerarmor as well as conventional starfighters. Pathetically weak, but everyone knew the story of the original TIE design. As yet, there were no incursions into occupied space...but the reasons were clear; a beachhead was being constructed. Scant hours after the first data points came in, new orders came in to the strategic missile bases all around the Kingdom. Specific strike orders against conquered targets. At the moment, there were no orders to fire...but that would change shortly. Meanwhile, several fleets began massing around Nemesis. More near the Unoccupied Zone. Reinforcements were being sent in from across the Kingdom. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 30 Aug 2001 15:02:52 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <20010830110252.00846.00005803@mb-mm.aol.com> >Quite a relief. After reading the website Phong provided a URL for, I was >beginning to wonder if this invasion would even affect the minor powers. >(Let alone the major ones.) The numbers there would leave even the reflex >cannon having difficulty with my fighters. (65 MT shots? This is supposed >to be powerful?) >These figures should lead to an interesting conflict, at least. They grossly underestimated the firepower on the website, and I haven't seen calcs there, just sort of blanket statements, not how they came about them. Granted, mine don't go into energy, but they compare with a ship where lots of people have. And when you consider that the huge numbers of ships allow them to simply ram if necessary, or a myriad of other rather imaginative and nasty tactics which will be revealed later (Along with some special weaponry as necessary).. Yes, things shall be interesting. Of course, they are a very conservative people; immortal rulers would tend to be like. The Zentraedi Monitors, with Reflex Cannon, can actually do a fair amount of damage, then; on wide angle they'll be death to fighters, and in large numbers of Monitors can provide heavy salvoes against ships. The Tirolian Border Fleet ships are probably the most dangerous when backed by the Masters' personal Destroyers, of course. We all know what the Sian Macross did, even if they were trying to recapture her intact then. Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 30 Aug 2001 15:16:16 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) wrote in news:20010830110252.00846.00005803@mb-mm.aol.com: >>Quite a relief. After reading the website Phong provided a URL for, I >>was beginning to wonder if this invasion would even affect the minor >>powers. (Let alone the major ones.) The numbers there would leave even >>the reflex cannon having difficulty with my fighters. (65 MT shots? >>This is supposed to be powerful?) >>These figures should lead to an interesting conflict, at least. > > They grossly underestimated the firepower on the website, and I > haven't seen > calcs there, just sort of blanket statements, not how they came about > them. Granted, mine don't go into energy, but they compare with a ship > where lots of people have. > J/w, do you agree with the numbers and types of weaponry there, if not the yield? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kazuaki Shimazaki Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:22:36 +0800 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <3B8E5A3C.45A@netvigator.com> Namothil wrote: > Quite a relief. After reading the website Phong provided a URL for, I was > beginning to wonder if this invasion would even affect the minor powers. > (Let alone the major ones.) The numbers there would leave even the reflex > cannon having difficulty with my fighters. (65 MT shots? This is supposed > to be powerful?) > These figures should lead to an interesting conflict, at least. Actually, I think the firepower would be overwhelmingly biased towards relatively few Reflex-cannon armed ships. There were 13,600 Rineunadou Lojmeuean class Monitors in the Grand Fleet. They're small, but they got all the Reflex cannons. My memory may be bad, but I thought it was the Grand Fleet that busted that planet, and I'm SURE that it was the Grand Fleet that busted Earth (it was FAR from a busting, since they managed to make Earth working again with Terran technology - a lot better than Caasmas). If we assume that those 13,600 ships did all the work and a 2.2E24J basic load, each of them produced 1.617E20J. That's about 1/4th or so a Star Destroyer, but we also have to remember they take MINUTES to recharge and this is hardly their continuous rate. If it turns out it was the IMPERIAL fleet that busted the first planet, then generally the Imperial Fleet is about 1/4th the size of the Grand Fleet, with a MUCH higher proportion of powerful vessels, like Salarns, than the Grand Fleet, which seemed to be composed mostly of Tou Redirs, 3.44 MILLION of them (80%). So the Imperial Fleet would probably have at least about 3400 Monitors. In that scenario, the one-shot firepower is roughly equal to the Star Destroyer - in fact slightly better, but this ignores the fact there were hundreds of thousands of other ships assisting, as well as ignores the fact it takes minutes to charge a Reflex Cannon, while 600 million TW is supposed to be the time AVERAGED firepower of the Star Destroyer. I don't know all THAT much about Robotech, but here's my commentary on the matter. Data from http://www.3dgamedev.com/robotech/ReferenceGuide.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 30 Aug 2001 15:42:02 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <20010830114202.00748.00005463@mb-mm.aol.com> < snip > The Grand Fleet busted Earth and did not fully succeed because parts of it were drawn off to deny its flank (Form an "L" shape) to the Imperial Fleet AND because it had far less Protoculture than the Imperial Fleet, which was supposed to have been the last gasp recovery of the Flower of Life. When they sent the Grand Fleet when they were so low on Protoculture, they were scraping the bottom of the barrel; they didn't have the energy to charge the guns to remotely near full power. The Imperial Fleet did rather clearly waste the demo planet, Kaz. The reason for that is that Lord Breetai was given command of the Imperial Fleet in the same system at the same episode; it seems rather unlikely that the Imperial Fleet and the Grand Fleet would be concentrated in the same system, and there's simply no evidence to suggest that it is the Grand Fleet, while there is strong, though admittedly circumstancial evidence, to support it being the Imperial Fleet. And, in regards to the firepower when the recharge times of the Reflex cannons are taken into account, well, it would even out over the period of an hour. Effectively, a Reflex cannon might be far more powerful than even an HTL by my calcs, but of course much slower firing... But it balances out. Yes, the Monitors (Rineunadou Lojmeueans) have a Lion's Share of the firepower in the fleets because of the cannon, but the Thuverl Salans are the backbone, and of course the Tou Redirs are much weaker. I'm going to stand with a 1 to 30 ratio here for the calcs; it holds up, though admittedly roughly.. I've been wanting to do more Reflex Cannon calcs based on Thuverl Salans getting vaped by the Sian Macross but never got around to it. And, of course, it is a TGOD. Incidently, are you in the STGOD universe, Kaz? Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 30 Aug 2001 15:45:39 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <20010830114539.00748.00005464@mb-mm.aol.com> >J/w, do you agree with the numbers and types of weaponry there, if not >the yield? Absolutely, in all respects. The only problem is the yield. It's on the money in that regard, and in pretty much everything else besides. My increased fleet numbers are only because, well, it's a bit in the future, and they're still around, and they're winning. Which is generally bad for freedom-loving peoples. I'll have the next installment prepared tonight; they're calling in the rest of the picket ships. After that.. Well, it'll be a long road until the rest of the reinforcements arrive, I have that feeling.. Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 30 Aug 2001 16:53:24 GMT Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Cooling Relations Message-ID: Jonathan Boyd wrote in news:B7B3E518.15B5E%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk: > Phong Nguyen wrote: > > We have word now of a breaking story along the Boyd Collective/Star > Kingdom of Serenity southern border. Scientists working in > observatories near the border have detected massive energy releases, > consistent in magnitude with SKS weapons fire. Several hours prior to > the report, a large fleet of SKS warships were spotted en-route to the > border. The SKS Navy has so far declined to comment and all > communication lines to the Collective are jammed. > This is CNN [chime] ... Observers in the Romulan Star Empire have detected massive numbers of Boyd Collective warships moving towards the border of the RSE. Rumors have abounded of a major diplomatic incident, though there's currently no hard information. Regardless, it appears that the SKS and the Collective are very close to coming to blows. With us is retired Admiral Nakajima, what do you think is happening with the general buildup of forces along the border, especially near the Romulan Border? Well Jim, its entirely possible that upon the outbreak of war both sides will move into the Romulan Empire, and therefore the more militant VHRW. Both the Kingdom and the Collective are in a technical state of war with the RSE, but so far have not invaded. If the Collective and the Kingdom go to war, they'll likely launch an invasion of the Empire to sieze critical forward bases. Thank you, Admiral, in other news, sources have discovered that the Boyd Collective, the United Terran Republic and the Star Kingdom of Serenity are in high-level negotiations, which began at Enigma. It is believed that the UTR is trying to prevent an outbreak of hostilities between the two major superpowers, though this is complete speculation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Enigma" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:08:51 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: > And so they would wait; it wouldn't be long now, not long at all, until they > were once again challenged in the skills that the perfect of Three, of the > Triumvirate, had granted them, and for this they were eager. > (outskirts of the altrernate MW in Inter-Dim, onboard the PSS _Chameleon) "How long before it's ready?" asked ET Enigma to his second in command. Blood trickled from his forehead and down his face. His battlestar suffered heavy damage. Shields were down and one third of the battlestar was obliterated. "Five more minutes sire!" the captain quickly responded. He struggled to maintain composure despite the fact that his left leg was broken in three places. "Sire, we've lost two thirds of our task force and this ship can't take much more damage. I suggest we retreat and them resume the battle when we're at full strength." "No we're going to continue. Have the rest of the task force position themselves in front of us until the CoD is fully charged. When I give the signal, then the ships are to move away from the _Chameleon_ and then fire the CoD. Understood?" "Yes sire! The task force have received your order and are proceeding to move in front of the _Chameleon_." the captain managed to say without screaming in pain. The pain was too much for him and he fell to the floor unconscious. ET Enigma heard the thud and saw that his second in command was lying on the floor. He got off his chair and went to replace the captain. It was a long five minutes and most of the ships protecting the _Chameleon_ succumbed to the rogue Giant Class battlestar immense firepower. When the CoD was fully charged, ET Enigma ordered the task force to move away. The task force did so and were drawing fire away so ET Enigma had a clear shot. With a press of a button, a cone of intense energy shot out from the _Chameleon_ and bored a huge hole through the rogue effectively killing it. "Finally" muttered ET Enigma as he plotted a course to the nearest drydock for repairs and recuperation. He and his crew needed it. At the start of the battle, his task force consisted of his polymorph battlestar, two Sol class battlestars and three white dwarf battlestars along with three thousand battlecruisers and ten thousand destroyers. But by the time they managed to destroy the Giant Class rogue battlestar, all that remained of his task force was his battlestar, nine hundred fifty battlecruisers and thiry five hundred destroyers, all in bad shape. Just as ET Enigma was about to close his eyes and rest, Oom came out from the ether flashing red in front of him. "What is it? Another rogue?" Oom proceeded to project the info of the newest empire to establish themselves in the normal space Milky Way to ET Enigma. After studying the info ET Enigma was not impressed. "I've got more important problems to deal with than to deal with outsiders. Oom continue monitoring." With that Oom returned to the ether and ET Enigma returned to resting. -- "There's nary a man that can outrun a greased Scotsman." -Groundskeeper Willie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 19:32:59 +0100 Subject: [STGOD] Humanitarian Aid Message-ID: To assist the Fenari in relieving the problem of overcrowding on their home worlds, the Collective has assisted them in the purchase of colony ships and terraforming equipment from HIDE. As a result, Fenari territory has enlarged substantially. The actual number of occupied star systems is low, but the Fenari want a bit of breeding room. A Collective Tactical Fleet is currently policing the newly colonised planets on behalf of the Fenari until warship construction contracts with HIDE are completed. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kyle Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:45:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Cooling Relations Message-ID: <3B8E97F6.353289E7@Netzero.net> Terran Broadcast Alliance The UTR Navy has announced that with the recent outbreak of hostilities along the Boyd/Romulan and Star Kingdom/Romulan borders that the Second Fleet will be assigned to patrol the UTR/Boyd border while the Third Fleet will guard the UTR/Kingdom Border. The Attack Fleet has also been assigned to patrol the UTR/Romulan border. UTR command states that this is only a defensive measure to protect the UTR from outside threats. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kyle Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:46:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] UTR Expansion. Message-ID: <3B8E9820.CF07C9E4@Netzero.net> Pablo wrote: > The GPF would like to extend an offer to the UTR to go on a guided tour of > the Exclusion Zone. If you accept, please conform to the rules you are > given. UTRN accepts this offer and Falcon Squadron is enroute at this time. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 22:14:28 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: <8Vyj7.39845$hT4.10766672@news1.rdc1.md.home.com> > And so they would wait; it wouldn't be long now, not long at all, until they > were once again challenged in the skills that the perfect of Three, of the > Triumvirate, had granted them, and for this they were eager. > Isolation hardly means one stops looking out. In the case of the New Republic they were true xenophobes but they were xenophobes who also knew what quality intelligence could do for a nation trying to keep its head above the waters in the great power struggle that was literally changing the face of the multiverse. To this end the NRI was as active as ever. They were a trained intelligence organization whose only lack was in their ability to deal with magic users though long experience with the Jedi had slowly allowed the organization to begin accepting and attempting to quantify the reports from various sources as to magical capabilities of their enemies. Fortunately for them their latest task was perhaps the easiest since they needed none of their most newfound experience. this was a plain old invasion and a new power could only mean that hings were about to shift again. A few alert agents placed as merchantmen on trading runs to unclaimed planets in G2, the Milky Way, had run across a new invasion. They had quite literally jumped out of system just as the new arrivals came and opened up on JFN-0041's defensive grid. Data was sketchy but it was a starting point. Almost as soon as the bombshell hit NRI's main headquarters building on Gunderi the tension level jumped. All asssets in the area were placed on alert and, for the first time in memory, agents were reclled from SGE space in order to run operations in G2. While all this was taking place the NRRO (New Republic Reconnisance Office) was notified to begin detailed surveillance runs throughout the entire super sector the invasion might be occuring in. For the NRRO this was a chance to test the first of their prototype philote-sats. With capabilities not all that unlike the hyperspace recon sats of a previous generation the philote sats would sit happily in the empty space above the galactic plane before recieving tasking to enter a system, recon, and leave. Over the next twenty-four hours over a dozen of the satellites began a massive passive, and occasionally active, scan of the now interesting piece of space designated as merely "S Sector J." The data was coallated and processed for transfer to higher echelons and suddenly and entire NRI/NRRO field division was in on the newest code-word project in the Republic's history. Communication suddenly went to one-time ciphers even for casual conversation and the alert status of the entire military was placed one notch higher until someone could actually get an agent in place to determine what was going on. It was an institutional panic but an organized one that would affect policy for the entire nation. -- cmdrwilkens AIM: cmdrwilkens "Shut the fuck up, scum." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kazuaki Shimazaki Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:26:39 +0800 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <3B8ED9BF.365E@netvigator.com> Maj Svetlanna wrote: > I'm going to stand with a 1 to 30 ratio here for the calcs; it holds up, > though admittedly roughly.. I've been wanting to do more Reflex Cannon calcs > based on Thuverl Salans getting vaped by the Sian Macross but never got around > to it. And, of course, it is a TGOD. Incidently, are you in the STGOD universe, > Kaz? I'm not in the TGOD, but it hardly prohibits me from commenting on the firepower of , does it? I might someday though. Hell, I'll do it really fast. It'll be really rough and ready, and it'll be a lower limit, but it should be something. I'll assume that the Thuverl Salan is this 39.5 million ton (3.95E10kg) mass of iron. Actually, some of this would be the fuel mass and other things that take up part of the load, and I'm not even sure if they hadn't decided to use things like titanium in its construction. OH well, I TOLD you this is a really fast lower-limit calc. There are limits to how far most of the overall technology is over Earth's if Earth can make Macross moving again (and those AMRDs actually held their own for a few minutes against Breetai's first taskforce), which suggests it won't be quadanium or anything wierd...hopefully... Assuming it IS a chunk of iron, the overall specific heat is apparently about 600 joules per kilogram per Kelvin, latent heat of fusion is 289kJ/kg and vaporization is 6.34MJ/kg, with a melting point of 1808K, with an assumed initial temperature of 200K (space is a little colder than that, I think, but what the hell). 3.95E10*600*1608K=3.81096E16J to bring it to the melting point, after which in space, you pay off both fusion and vaporization instantly, so... 3.95E10*2.89E5=1.14155E16J to melt it, and instantly... 3.95E10*6.34E6=2.5043E17J to vaporize, for a total of nearly... 3E17J, equivalent to a megatonnage of...71.6 megatons - damn, we've busted the 65MT "roof" by that site already, and we hadn't even accounted for the fact there the ship was vaporized very quickly, and that the overall heat resistance of the ship is unlikely to be that low, that (I think), they did something bad to another ship as well...overall, no one can say you're greedy if you multiplied that number above by about 10. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:33:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] UTR Expansion. Message-ID: Chris O'Farrell wrote: > The NOFR would also like to formalise relations with the establishment of a > diplomatic mission on Terra.... The Boyd Collective requests permission to open an embassy in NOFR territory within the Milky Way. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:33:10 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: Phong Nguyen wrote: >> Word traveled rapidly through the galaxy, but this was a new kind of warfare; >> shock tactics based on stupendous numbers without serious regard for >> technological advancement, firepower, or defensive capabilities. Their own >> galaxy had developed the weaponry to defend against it, of course. This one >> hadn't, and it paid the price. >> > They're called the Boyd (and to a lesser extent, the Trolls. The > minor powers haven't the tactics...but the major ones do. The Boyd never really threw their full might at anyone though. I think it's time I taught the Zentraedi what 'quantity' really means. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:33:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: Enigma wrote: >> And so they would wait; it wouldn't be long now, not long at all, until they >> were once again challenged in the skills that the perfect of Three, of the >> Triumvirate, had granted them, and for this they were eager. > (outskirts of the altrernate MW in Inter-Dim, onboard the PSS _Chameleon) > "How long before it's ready?" asked ET Enigma to his second in command. Blood > trickled from his forehead and down his face. His battlestar suffered heavy > damage. Shields were down and one third of the battlestar was obliterated. > "Five more minutes sire!" the captain quickly responded. He struggled to > maintain composure despite the fact that his left leg was broken in three > places. "Sire, we've lost two thirds of our task force and this ship can't > take much more damage. I suggest we retreat and them resume the battle when > we're at full strength." > "No we're going to continue. Have the rest of the task force position > themselves in front of us until the CoD is fully charged. When I give the > signal, then the ships are to move away from the _Chameleon_ and then fire the > CoD. Understood?" Aha, at least we know your weakness! Soon we shall begin harvesting our fish stocks. Within days, your Empire shall fall before us! (What's a CoD?) -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:33:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Final Notes) Message-ID: Maj Svetlanna wrote: > Based on a typical galaxy with tens of millions habitable planets, I assumed > that within the unclaimed area noted there would be on the order of 60,000 > planets inhabited by sentient species; the Masters will ignore the uninhabited > planets until they can call up additional Zentraedi soldiers to garrison them, > which takes time. > They decided to act swiftly, and the very numbers of their fleet allows them > to seize and hold an awesome amount of ground, but on a scale that large even > their cloning systems and fleet train are going to be stretched; I suppose > that they could end up having to deal with secret bases that get placed on > uninhabited planets while they're waiting for the troops to garrison them. Sound reasonable. > But, it seemed like an area like that would easily hold a few tens of > thousands of planets of them to conquer.. And enough left over for them to be > annoyed about the lack of having the full strength of the Zentraedi Armada > available. > I love the vast scale of doing things galactically! Enjoy it while it lasts. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:33:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Maj Svetlanna wrote: > I'm using the ISD as comparison so that you can in turn compare them to your > own fleets. Thanks, this should save a bit of time, rather than reading the web sites. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:33:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Namothil wrote: >> General note: >> Based on one of the best firepower scaling scenes in Robotech, where a single >> massed salvo from the Imperial Fleet annihilates an earthlike planet as a >> demonstrate to Micronian prisoners, I have been able to calculate the actual >> firepower of a Thuverl Salan class Heavy Cruiser. >> It's probably in excess over that the numbers of the Robotech website gives; >> those couldn't scratch the paint on most Imperial vessels. The ability of a >> single salvo from 1,000,000 ships to BDZ a planet with all the effects, >> including a brief but total melting of the surface, as an ISD is capable of >> in >> the timeframe of an hour.. > Quite a relief. After reading the website Phong provided a URL for, I was > beginning to wonder if this invasion would even affect the minor powers. > (Let alone the major ones.) The numbers there would leave even the reflex > cannon having difficulty with my fighters. (65 MT shots? This is supposed > to be powerful?) > These figures should lead to an interesting conflict, at least. Though not in the way Marina intends... -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:33:11 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Maj Svetlanna wrote: >> Quite a relief. After reading the website Phong provided a URL for, I was >> beginning to wonder if this invasion would even affect the minor powers. >> (Let alone the major ones.) The numbers there would leave even the reflex >> cannon having difficulty with my fighters. (65 MT shots? This is supposed >> to be powerful?) >> These figures should lead to an interesting conflict, at least. > They grossly underestimated the firepower on the website, and I haven't seen > calcs there, just sort of blanket statements, not how they came about them. > Granted, mine don't go into energy, but they compare with a ship where lots of > people have. Or at least which we can compare to. > And when you consider that the huge numbers of ships allow them to simply ram > if necessary, or a myriad of other rather imaginative and nasty tactics which > will be revealed later (Along with some special weaponry as necessary).. Yes, > things shall be interesting. I do hope so. > Of course, they are a very conservative people; immortal rulers would tend to > be like. > The Zentraedi Monitors, with Reflex Cannon, can actually do a fair amount of > damage, then; on wide angle they'll be death to fighters, and in large numbers > of Monitors can provide heavy salvoes against ships. > The Tirolian Border Fleet ships are probably the most dangerous when backed by > the Masters' personal Destroyers, of course. We all know what the Sian Macross > did, even if they were trying to recapture her intact then. We do? -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pablo" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:18:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <9mmoh0$34ph0$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de> "Jonathan Boyd" wrote in message news:B7B49238.15D3F%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk... > Maj Svetlanna wrote: > >>The Zentraedi Monitors, with Reflex Cannon, can actually do a fair amount of >>damage, then; on wide angle they'll be death to fighters, and in large numbers >>of Monitors can provide heavy salvoes against ships. > >>The Tirolian Border Fleet ships are probably the most dangerous when backed by >>the Masters' personal Destroyers, of course. We all know what the Sian Macross >>did, even if they were trying to recapture her intact then. > > We do? You don't. Here's a summary: The Tirolian Reflex Fortress Sian Macross crashlanded on Earth. It was captured and exploited by the humans, and made up the most powerful ship in their new fleet (really the only thing worth a damn against the Zentraedi) When it activated, the Zentraedi went in to capture it for its protoculture plants. It fought back, but the malfunctioning fold drive sent it to Pluto, and it had to travel back on sublight. Very slowly, though. The Zentraedi were thwarted for a long time, often due to the deployment of the Macross's main gun, which could obliterate several of the Zentraedi's best ships in one shot. Nasty thing, that gun. That's why I stole it :) (My model is less powerful and faster recharging) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pablo" Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:20:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <9mmokp$30km9$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de> "Kazuaki Shimazaki" wrote in message news:3B8ED9BF.365E@netvigator.com... > Hell, I'll do it really fast. It'll be really rough and ready, and it'll > be a lower limit, but it should be something. [snip] Of course, Anime battleships (and armored vehicles and sometimes people) have a tendency to undergo catastrophic reactor failure when hit hard enough. But still, your figures are only fair. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 01:21:56 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: "Pablo" wrote in news:9mmoh0$34ph0$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de: > The Zentraedi were thwarted for a long time, often due to the > deployment of the Macross's main gun, which could obliterate several of > the Zentraedi's best ships in one shot. Nasty thing, that gun. That's > why I stole it :) (My model is less powerful and faster recharging) > Hehehe, my model is more powerful, smaller and faster recharging. Fear my reflex *turrets* ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 01:22:29 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: "Pablo" wrote in news:9mmokp$30km9$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de: > Of course, Anime battleships (and armored vehicles and sometimes > people) have a tendency to undergo catastrophic reactor failure when > hit hard enough. > > But still, your figures are only fair. Well, protoculture shouldn't, seeing as its organic cold fusion, but nothing says the capacitors can't... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris O'Farrell" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:25:50 GMT Subject: Re: [DTGOD] UTR Expansion. Message-ID: Jonathan Boyd wrote in message news:B7B48B27.15D3D%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk... > Chris O'Farrell wrote: > > > The NOFR would also like to formalise relations with the establishment of a > > diplomatic mission on Terra.... > > The Boyd Collective requests permission to open an embassy in NOFR territory > within the Milky Way. We would be pleased to accept representitives from the collective into the NOFR's Milky Way protectorate... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 02:29:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: [BCS Iron Halo] He had spent the last three months in workup with the fleet, relearning how to think, how to command, how to fight. The memories were all there, but unlocking them was... difficult. There had been much data to transfer and so little time. Even now, the ship's Master was registering his every movement, tracking every thought, wary of a descent into the madness that engulfed most accelerated clones. So far, however, his minds seemed stable. Or at least he assumed it did. If it didn't, he would probably never notice. There would be a light sabre through his cranium before he realised anything was amiss. For the first time in many years, he did not have command of the entire group. It was somewhat irritating to have to await the commands of a superior. BFA-82 had proved himself a worthy leader, however and it was no great disgrace to serve under him, especially considering the state he was in. 200 tactical fleets had been surged to the border, to observe the advance of the outsiders. Boyd Knights in fleet recon were probing the conquered worlds in their Viper-II fighters while Oni bombers, with their sensitive comms and sensor suites, analysed the emissions of the several million strong fleet. The rest of the galaxy seemed to be in a mild state of panic upon discovering the enormity of the invasion fleet. The Collective remained unperturbed. There was quantity and there was _quantity_. There was also qaulity. The Collective knew the later qualities well. Hundreds more fleets were being placed on alert, while the strategic forces began loading suitable munitions for a war, should one ever begin. With hundreds of thousands of ships patrolling the border, the Collective watched and waited. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Enigma" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:56:49 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: "Jonathan Boyd" wrote in message news:B7B490A9.15D3F%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk... > > Aha, at least we know your weakness! Soon we shall begin harvesting our fish > stocks. Within days, your Empire shall fall before us! > > (What's a CoD?) Cone of Destruction. It literally vaporises everything in its path. Once used it takes 6 hours to recharge. It starts out small and then widens and has a distance of two stellar diameters. -- "There's nary a man that can outrun a greased Scotsman." -Groundskeeper Willie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:05:55 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Cooling Relations Message-ID: Kyle wrote: > Terran Broadcast Alliance > The UTR Navy has announced that with the recent outbreak of hostilities along > the Boyd/Romulan and Star Kingdom/Romulan borders that the Second Fleet will > be assigned to patrol the UTR/Boyd border while the Third Fleet will guard the > UTR/Kingdom Border. The Attack Fleet has also been assigned to patrol the > UTR/Romulan border. UTR command states that this is only a defensive measure > to protect the UTR from outside threats. In other news, scientists are baffled by the detonation of a star along the Boyd Collective/Romulan Star Empire border. The explosion of the star, which closely resembles our own, seems at odds with every current theory about novae and supernovae. Conspiracy theorists blame the Boyd Collective, claiming that it must be a test of their star killer weaponry. Officials from the Collective have rebuffed such claims, saying that it would be utter idocity to test new weaponry in the face of an enemy. Secrets are let out that way. Following the explosion, VHRW ships have moved to a higher state of readiness along the border. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:05:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] UTR Expansion. Message-ID: Chris O'Farrell wrote: >>> The NOFR would also like to formalise relations with the establishment of a >>> diplomatic mission on Terra.... >> The Boyd Collective requests permission to open an embassy in NOFR territory >> within the Milky Way. > We would be pleased to accept representitives from the collective into the > NOFR's Milky Way protectorate... An ambassador is en-route aboard the frigate 'Wings'. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:05:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Pablo wrote: >>> Of course, they are a very conservative people; immortal rulers would tend >>> to be like. >>> >>> The Zentraedi Monitors, with Reflex Cannon, can actually do a fair amount of >>> damage, then; on wide angle they'll be death to fighters, and in large >>> numbers of Monitors can provide heavy salvoes against ships. >>> >>> The Tirolian Border Fleet ships are probably the most dangerous when backed >>> by the Masters' personal Destroyers, of course. We all know what the Sian >>> Macross did, even if they were trying to recapture her intact then. >> We do? > You don't. Here's a summary: Much obliged. > The Tirolian Reflex Fortress Sian Macross crashlanded on Earth. It was > captured and exploited by the humans, and made up the most powerful ship in > their new fleet (really the only thing worth a damn against the Zentraedi) > When it activated, the Zentraedi went in to capture it for its protoculture > plants. It fought back, but the malfunctioning fold drive sent it to Pluto, > and it had to travel back on sublight. Very slowly, though. What's protoculture? I've heard Chris mention it. Some sort of energy source? > The Zentraedi were thwarted for a long time, often due to the deployment of > the Macross's main gun, which could obliterate several of the Zentraedi's > best ships in one shot. Nasty thing, that gun. That's why I stole it :) > (My model is less powerful and faster recharging) Ah yes. That gun. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:05:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Phong Nguyen wrote: >> The Zentraedi were thwarted for a long time, often due to the >> deployment of the Macross's main gun, which could obliterate several of >> the Zentraedi's best ships in one shot. Nasty thing, that gun. That's >> why I stole it :) (My model is less powerful and faster recharging) > Hehehe, my model is more powerful, smaller and faster recharging. Fear my > reflex *turrets* Fear my 5 mile rail cannons. 5 mile diameter. If I ever restore those ships. They're sitting in museums now. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 02:13:37 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Jonathan Boyd wrote in news:B7B4AACD.15DE7%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk: > Pablo wrote: > >> The Tirolian Reflex Fortress Sian Macross crashlanded on Earth. It >> was captured and exploited by the humans, and made up the most >> powerful ship in their new fleet (really the only thing worth a damn >> against the Zentraedi) > >> When it activated, the Zentraedi went in to capture it for its >> protoculture plants. It fought back, but the malfunctioning fold >> drive sent it to Pluto, and it had to travel back on sublight. Very >> slowly, though. > > What's protoculture? I've heard Chris mention it. Some sort of energy > source? > Best way to describe it is renewable organic cold fusion. The plant is highly useful that way. Absolutely clean, but produces a form of radiation detectable if you know how (though it can be 'redshifted' to prevent that). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 02:14:38 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Jonathan Boyd wrote in news:B7B4AB33.15DE7%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk: > Phong Nguyen wrote: > >>> The Zentraedi were thwarted for a long time, often due to the >>> deployment of the Macross's main gun, which could obliterate several >>> of the Zentraedi's best ships in one shot. Nasty thing, that gun. >>> That's why I stole it :) (My model is less powerful and faster >>> recharging) > >> Hehehe, my model is more powerful, smaller and faster recharging. Fear >> my reflex *turrets* > > Fear my 5 mile rail cannons. 5 mile diameter. If I ever restore those > ships. They're sitting in museums now. > Well, I *was* talking about conventional weapons! Besides, I could construct a giant ETHS cannon and go wreak havoc on fleets with it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kazuaki Shimazaki Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:18:40 +0800 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <3B8EF400.1F95@netvigator.com> Jonathan Boyd wrote: > > The Tirolian Reflex Fortress Sian Macross crashlanded on Earth. It was > > captured and exploited by the humans, and made up the most powerful ship in > > their new fleet (really the only thing worth a damn against the Zentraedi) > > > When it activated, the Zentraedi went in to capture it for its protoculture > > plants. It fought back, but the malfunctioning fold drive sent it to Pluto, > > and it had to travel back on sublight. Very slowly, though. > > What's protoculture? I've heard Chris mention it. Some sort of energy > source? Actually, it is supposedly the process Here you go: http://www.3dgamedev.com/robotech/Essay/protoculture.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:19:45 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: Enigma wrote: >>> (outskirts of the altrernate MW in Inter-Dim, onboard the PSS _Chameleon) >>> "How long before it's ready?" asked ET Enigma to his second in command. >>> Blood trickled from his forehead and down his face. His battlestar suffered >>> heavy damage. Shields were down and one third of the battlestar was >>> obliterated. >>> "Five more minutes sire!" the captain quickly responded. He struggled to >>> maintain composure despite the fact that his left leg was broken in three >>> places. "Sire, we've lost two thirds of our task force and this ship can't >>> take much more damage. I suggest we retreat and them resume the battle when >>> we're at full strength." >>> "No we're going to continue. Have the rest of the task force position >>> themselves in front of us until the CoD is fully charged. When I give the >>> signal, then the ships are to move away from the _Chameleon_ and then fire >>> the CoD. Understood?" >> Aha, at least we know your weakness! Soon we shall begin harvesting our fish >> stocks. Within days, your Empire shall fall before us! >> >> (What's a CoD?) > > > Cone of Destruction. It literally vaporises everything in its path. Once used > it takes 6 hours to recharge. It starts out small and then widens and has a > distance of two stellar diameters. A little more dangerous than a fish then. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:36:38 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote: >>> The Tirolian Reflex Fortress Sian Macross crashlanded on Earth. It was >>> captured and exploited by the humans, and made up the most powerful ship in >>> their new fleet (really the only thing worth a damn against the Zentraedi) >>> When it activated, the Zentraedi went in to capture it for its protoculture >>> plants. It fought back, but the malfunctioning fold drive sent it to Pluto, >>> and it had to travel back on sublight. Very slowly, though. >> What's protoculture? I've heard Chris mention it. Some sort of energy >> source? > Actually, it is supposedly the process > Here you go: > http://www.3dgamedev.com/robotech/Essay/protoculture.html Cheers. I'm terribly lazy when it comes round to following web links. I will get round to it sometime though. Maybe. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:36:38 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Phong Nguyen wrote: >>> Hehehe, my model is more powerful, smaller and faster recharging. Fear >>> my reflex *turrets* >> Fear my 5 mile rail cannons. 5 mile diameter. If I ever restore those >> ships. They're sitting in museums now. > Well, I *was* talking about conventional weapons! What's unconventional about chucking a lump of metal at someone? > Besides, I could construct a giant ETHS cannon and go wreak havoc on > fleets with it. Well I could use a fleet of ships to throw planets about with their tractor beams. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Boyd Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 03:36:38 +0100 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Phong Nguyen wrote: >>> The Tirolian Reflex Fortress Sian Macross crashlanded on Earth. It >>> was captured and exploited by the humans, and made up the most >>> powerful ship in their new fleet (really the only thing worth a damn >>> against the Zentraedi) >>> When it activated, the Zentraedi went in to capture it for its >>> protoculture plants. It fought back, but the malfunctioning fold >>> drive sent it to Pluto, and it had to travel back on sublight. Very >>> slowly, though. >> What's protoculture? I've heard Chris mention it. Some sort of energy >> source? > Best way to describe it is renewable organic cold fusion. The plant is > highly useful that way. Absolutely clean, but produces a form of > radiation detectable if you know how (though it can be 'redshifted' to > prevent that). Interesting. Is a lot of energy produced? I wonder how the Collective produces energy. I don't think I ever decided on that. -- Jonathan Boyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 31 Aug 2001 03:20:05 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <20010830232005.01510.00002421@mb-cp.aol.com> >Cheers. I'm terribly lazy when it comes round to following web links. I will >get round to it sometime though. Maybe. It's also used for cloning, genetic engineering, medical applications, and can constantly repair and regenerate tissues. In the typical treatments that Tirolian patrician-class citizens can afford (Yes, Tirolian society is actually relatively unchanged by the masters), it trebles their lifespans. In the constant application given to the Masters or the Elders, they end up with effective Immortality. Protoculture was used to design and to produce the Zentraedi enmasse, and the triumvirates themselves including the warrior triumvirates that operate the Bioroids and the Border Fleet ships. Essentially, the entirety of all levels of power for the Robotech Merchantile Empire is built open Protoculture, or, more properly, the flower that produces it. It's simply called "The Flower of Life" and they have fought several major wars over it already. Optera is the homeworld of The Flower of Life, and a species called the Invid that exist in a symbiotic relationship with it. The Invid are a major pain for the Robotech Merchantile Empire and, well, let's say they're not going to just remove the flower and then depopulate this galaxy's version of Optera, leaving the Invid alive; definitely not. Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 04:54:05 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: "Jonathan Boyd" wrote in message news:B7B4AB33.15DE7%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk... > Phong Nguyen wrote: > > >> The Zentraedi were thwarted for a long time, often due to the > >> deployment of the Macross's main gun, which could obliterate several of > >> the Zentraedi's best ships in one shot. Nasty thing, that gun. That's > >> why I stole it :) (My model is less powerful and faster recharging) > > > Hehehe, my model is more powerful, smaller and faster recharging. Fear my > > reflex *turrets* > > Fear my 5 mile rail cannons. 5 mile diameter. If I ever restore those ships. > They're sitting in museums now. > As always I play the trump card: MDD baby. Sit down and be schooled mutha fuckas. -- cmdrwilkens AIM: cmdrwilkens "Shut the fuck up, scum." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 31 Aug 2001 07:15:28 GMT Subject: [STGOD] Conquista Continued. (A fascinating Collective.) Message-ID: <20010831031528.01542.00002551@mb-cp.aol.com> The lead ships came through the Spatial Anomaly; one after the other. More Tirolian Border Fleet ships, out of a fleet of thirty-seven thousand that were now transitting. That would make sixty-eight thousand in the new galaxy, and the maximum they could really take a way from the Robotech Merchantile Empire proper. The Eleventh Triumvirate watched from their Command Pod inside the Ziggurat-like structure on their Mothership that held them. This fleet was more important than for just reinforcement. It contained the real offensive punch of the Robotech Merchantile Empire. In the center of this fleet were the primary weapons. Neutron-S Super Dimensional Cruise Missiles... And a refined type, the Neutron-X. "The Kabarrans, of course, would be far less than pleased," Mythelra stated to a science Triumvirate's members who stood below them. "When we discovered these weapons, we had instant deadlock.. But we could have destroyed them at great cost. So the price of their survival and good treatment... Is the price that gives us this galaxy. The designs. They will not complain; and even if they do, they cannot back it up without being annihilated," Tyzelra finished. "So it was well of you to advise us to bring them on campaign with us, though they will not be used for your original purpose; you will be rewarded with your requested research assignments," Sythara added. "You are dimissed," came the conclusion from Tyzelra. "We serve the Masters," echoed three voices. As they left, the Triumvirate watched. ~Nine Neutron-S Super-Dimensional Cruise Missiles, and three Neutron-X Super Dimensional Cruise Missiles. The Neutron-S variant being of 15 million megatons yield with thermonuclear warheads and the Neutron-X being of 300 million megatons yield with anti-matter warheads. All of both types with computerized course randomizers to keep them jumping, folding from location to location in deep-space... And Redshifting mechisms over the protoculture cells and fold drives and other systems that use the Protoculture.~ Mythelra finished the mental litany with an internal feeling of satisfaction. ~And with the shields and armour similiar to our flagships will allow tactical utilization against large fleets, as they can survive long enough to deploy; do not forget that this is perhaps an important secondary usage considering our latest reports on the firepower of even the minor forces that faced our Zentraedi...~ Tyzelra replied, as she leaned forward a bit to study the latest readout. Some of the ships of some of the planets.. Indeed, some entire planets and their defense forces.. Had surrendered. The Robotech Merchantile Empire could rule its planets very well; Witness the Kabarrans, who had great economic prosperity. The same for the homeworld of the Empire, Tirol... Well, home moon, as it orbited the gas giant Fantoma. It might be that those who sacrificed freedom for security deserved neither, but oftentimes they did indeed get security. ~Their systems are active; the sensors now focused on this system will not have detected them entering. I am detailing the cruise missiles of both types to begin their random trajectories in this area that is firmly secured near us; still a great enough area of space to insure their safety.~ Sythara was personally entered the commands to the cruise missiles, which were being sent by laser-blinker, the only surely secure way with the system swept. Silent approval from the other two clone sisters. There was a pause as Tyzelra listened to a report, and then a second, and then relayed them both mentally.~The other Triumvirates will provide us three more Neutron-X bombs and all the remaining additional Neutron-S bombs, as those were to be phased out of service in favour of the Neutron-X anyway, but not for another three months, sisters. That will provide sufficient deterrent and allow a notable reserve for use against capital ships. The emotional state of the races here will of course allow us to employ the Neutron-S and Neutron-X against fleets without repercussions while threats to use them against planets will prevent the use of similiar weapons against our own. Of course, our fleets are numerous enough that their own weapons of mass destruction are irrelevent to them. That is the analysis of our psychological science triumvirates.~ ~Best to use the Neutron-S missiles in fleet actions and retain the Neutron-X missiles for deterrence, as they will be more effective in that role with their more permanently destructive capability. A planetary ecosystem can recover from a Neutron-S missiles; it has only the power of a mass extinction event. A Neutron-X missile is utter annihilation and furthermore can be folded into the target successfully.. There is no defense. The anti-matter would detonate as the tests have shown. And it seems overkill to use a Neutron-X missile against even the most powerful of ships anyway..~ Sythara finished, watching as the missiles of both types folded clear on the display; redshifted before they even arrived, and now to hide and seek until needed. ~Concur~ echoed the other two clone sisters. Mythelra, though, continued. ~We will need to survive the next three months we great caution, however. It is absolutely imperative to gain allies in our struggle against the power we shall soon know holds Optera... A pity the planet had to be in a border region so we must hold such doubts. After we have the additional missiles it will be a different matter.. Until then, I feel that the obscene technology of this place lends us to alliance.~ ~The Boyd Collective I am thinking, then,~ Sythara's thought echoed strongly. ~They are like us in some ways... A clone society. Much more like us than any of the primitives or barbarians that make up the rest of these nations. They also have the greatest fleets. They are civilized. Not understanding the Triumvirate, of course, but still at least civilized, which is more than can be said for the others.~ ~We can perhaps teach them.. Even if only by example.. The importance of the Triumvirate, of its very sacredness. Even if not, if we must have allies, better those who have mastered genetic engineering and cloning and are not afraid nor held back to use it in their society than, as you said my sister, the primitives.~ Tyzelra added. And Mythelra finished: ~We can keep a deal, and be friends and allies, and not overlords and conquerers, with such civilized folk; Yes, alliance with the Boyd Collective is agreeable, and so we should begin the first contact and discussions of treaty. Let them be contacted, my sisters.~ As the 37,000 Tirolian Border Fleet ships that had arrived along with the missiles, last reinforcements for two weeks, spread out and began to fold to their destinations and patrol lines, the massive hyperwave communications systems of the Mothership were powered up for a long range visual/audio transmission. Real time, at that. The systems were ready, and the clone sisters of the Eleventh Robotech Master Triumvirate spoke. First seperately, to the screen that would relay image, and audio, as they sat in their command pod, now hovering lower before the screen. The transmission was aimed at the capitol of the Boyd Collective in this galaxy. "I am Tyzelra." "I am Mythelra." "I am Sythara." And then they spoke in unision, an eerie cacophony of voices that was still quite business and quite able to be understood and tolerated. "We are the Eleventh Robotech Master Triumvirate, our gubernitorial powers granted us by the Robotech Elders and the Masters at Tirol and extended over our new domains. In the name of the Robotech Merchantile Empire, we offer you, whom we have come to know as the Boyd Collective, our greetings." And then they spoke seperately again, or more precisely Sythara began speaking. "We wish to discuss matters of great import with the Boyd Collective, and wish to avoid any possible territorial problems that might arise. For these reasons, and because such communications should be done in a secure manner, we ask that you either send an emissary to this system or provide us with means to make our communications utterly secure for the highest level of Diplomatic Communications." Continuing virtually where her clone-sister left off was Mythara. "We are greatly alike, O Government of the Boyd Collective; We are both clone societies with genetic engineering, who fear not to hold the power of the gene and of the creation of life in our hands, where others dare not to tread. We are equals of spirit and will. Let us discuss things and be friends as equals of spirit and will should be." "We hope that at someday we might be allies, but we understand that such things take time; and indeed they are better for time, for that refines them and makes them strong," Tyzelra finished. "But the discussions should begin as soon as possible, even if they do take time. There is much that we can offer each other, but only if we are not harried by the envies of foreigners who want our prosperity, and the fears of foreigners who hate our advanced ways. We therefore most eagerly await your favourable and swift reply." Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Crayz9000 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:28:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Cooling Relations Message-ID: While drowning in alt.startrek.vs.starwars, Phong Nguyen found on 29 Aug 2001 15:25:47 GMT... The Terok Nor Mining Station had seen plenty of action. It had been destroyed, rebuilt, and destroyed again. Currently, it was in its fourth incarnation, recently built by the Bajorans without any outside assistance. And every incarnation of the station had a certain place, a place to have fun, get drunk, or lose a fortune. Quark's. The Ferengi proprietor had managed to clone himself before the destruction of the first station, and the tradition, as it were, had continued. "Ah, a new customer. How can I help you?" The bartender walked, or perhaps waddled, up to a person who had just entered the cantina. The person was apparently wearing an armored space suit of some type, mostly black with some bronze-colored parts. He wore a similarly-colored helmet, and a dark cylindrical shape hung from his waist. "What drinks do you serve that are chemically compatible with humans?" The bartender smiled. "Plenty. Come and I'll show you." Somewhat hesitantly, the person followed Quark to the bar. The Ferengi reached below the bar, extracting several old-looking bottles, and placed them on the counter. "Corellian whisky," he said pointing to the first bottle, "vintage 2585. Interested?" "No thanks," the man replied. "Have any Coke?" Quark eyed him with a strange look. "I haven't had a request for that in over two hundred years. But," his face lit up with a smile, "I can always replicate some for you, although I'd have to charge a *tiny* amount extra for it." "Forget it then," he said, "and just give me some coffee.' "But I'm sure you'd like Coca-Cola, or even better this vintage Scotch." "Coffee." The way the man said it, it implied that he was about to do something nasty to the bartender. Quark hesitated, looking at the whisky, then resignedly put it back under the bar and walked over to a coffeemaker. By the time the coffee had brewed and Quark returned to the bar, the man was nowhere to be seen. "I hate it when they do that," the Ferengi muttered to himself. Looking around him closely, the man took a seat at a table with only one other occupant. "About time you got here, bounty hunter," the other patron commented in a voice that sounded as if a horde of bees were trapped in the speaker's lungs. "I was beginning to wonder if you'd gotten lost. This is a big station." "Get to the point," the suited man slowly said. "I don't have all day to waste talking." The hooded patron let out what might have qualified as a snort. "That coming from the one who came almost an hour late. Crayz, I know you all too well." "Indeed?" The patron pointed to the lightsabre that was clipped to the bounty hunter's utility belt. "Don't try to use those Jedi tricks on me. See this?" The patron pointed over his shoulder, where a slender and furry creature reposed on a small frame. "Ysalamiri." "I should have expected as much from a fine customer like you. Now *what* do you want me to do? I almost feel like leaving and finding another customer who's not as talkative." A muffled sigh came from beneath the hood, and the person leaned closer. "I need you to sabotage something. It's big, powerful, and is quite a threat." "What is it?" "Larger than a planetary system. Carries enough weaponry to effortlessly destroy any system, and a fleet of starships the likes of which you haven't seen." "Sounds risky. How much will you pay?" "One hundred thousand, SGE currency." The bounty hunter stood up. "Find a professional saboteur who'll work at that price, then come back and ask again." "Two hundred thousand?" He sat back down. "I'll consider it, on one condition: five hundred thousand. And a down payment of fifty thousand." "Now wait just a minute! That's enough to buy a TIE Defender *and* a pleasure home on Risa!" Had Crayz9000 not had the helmet, the other party would have heard him exhale a sigh. "Exactly. It's a high-risk job, so I expect you can pay the price." "Three hundred thousand bounty and a down payment of twenty-five thousand. No more." The bounty hunter planted his right arm on the table, and with a slight clicking noise a small opening appeared in the suit. "Three hundred *seventy-five* thousand, twenty-five thousand down payment, and it's a deal." "You really wouldn't want to blast me." He ignored the comment. "Well?" The distinct whine of capacitors charging could be heard from the arm. "Very well," the other person said resignedly. "Three hundred fifty thousand it is. Do you take the job?" "Down payment?" "Thirty-five thousand transferred to an account immediately." The opening in the suit clicked shut. "I'll take it." "Good." The patron slid a datachip across the table, standing up as he did so. "Here's all the data you'll need." As the bounty hunter took the chip and likewise stood up, the person added, "I don't think it would be a good idea to follow me." "I'll remember that," Crayz9000 dryly commented as he watched the person exit the bar. He then made for the opposite exit, cautiously stepping into the corridor and heading for his ship. -- Crayz9000 - - - - - - - - mhm28x12 UT: Freak'o'Nature http://asvsaa.8m.net (ASVS Auxiliary Archive) http://crayz9000.htmlplanet.com (Crayz9000's Hideout) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 31 Aug 2001 08:14:12 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista Continued. (Notation.) Message-ID: <20010831041412.01526.00002218@mb-cp.aol.com> OOC note: I chose to go with the history of those bombs that they were developed by the Kabarrans and used as a secret deterrant should the Zentraedi ever be sent against them. Here, the Masters found out about them and threatened to send the Zentraedi, accepting the destruction of sixteen worlds or so, unless they received the designs of the bombs and therefore could have a mutual deterrence system. It seems more logical than the Terran forces developing the bombs themselves as the website says now; originally it had the old, Kabarran-based theory. Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Brian Witz" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:33:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Humanitarian Aid Message-ID: The D-7 with the survivers was still in bound, the news had already reached Fenris, and the other colony worlds. Lord Grendel was dead, slain on Distant Boydingrad. Without their unifing leader the Fenari clans began to fight amoung themselves for the title of rulership, duels were becoming a daily avent. Warrior's gathered to fight, the frozen plains would soon be stained with blood as they had for thousands of years before the violent take over of Grendel. Secretly his widows returned to their clans and plotted to take over in their own clan's name. Efforts had to be made on a means to limit the bloodshed, there was a war comming and they would need to be united to fight the outside forces. The warriors gathered in Packs of Thirteen, A lone elder strode out to the feild with bound criminal. With a sudden stroke the head landed in center of the field between the two forces. The elders had decided to solve this situation with the return of Their Great Games. Criminals would not do of course, they would need the heads of great enemies for the games to mark the passage of such a leader as Grendel. However they had several months to prepare for the return of the vessel, that would launch an empty shuttle into the sun (For there was no body to return to the fires, for the great Grendel.) Even as all of this was going on the population pressures had not eased. Colonyships, both their own and the new ones they had received from HIDE were enrounte to new worlds. Captain/Alpha Munin was looking down at the world below him, for most species the gravity would have been crushing, not however for the Fenari. The pressure of the Oxygen/Nitrogen mixture would offer good strong resistance for the growing of Cubs, the lack of enemies would be a limiting factor, as Fenari were hunter's by nature, still, the dimminishing radation, and the ruins below, needed to be examined. On the Planet Rhea things were not settling Peacefully, a Youth Claiming to be the missing son of Grendel thought killed during the invasion of Fenris had surfaced, and his army prepared to clash with Queen Hala one of the post invasion wives of the feared leader, mounted on sabertoothed cats and weilding weapons of a bygone era the Upstart would fare badly against Hala's army. Still appearances were often deceiving, As Hala's forces discovered, when the calvery fired an opening rocket volley at the walkers and tanks. The Big cat's agility combined with modern electronics made for a devestating combination especially when the heavy armor discovered that the gurillias had mined the area with anti armour mines sending crystal javelines deep into their armoured bellys. Chaos lived and breathed on the battlefeild. The heat blasts of the heatguns melted metal and burned fur where they struck. The young Fenari lifted his spear and howled to the heavens with a fire in his one remaining eye. Soon, he would become master of Rhea. Ever since the death of his mother and siblings, the day the invader's rained fire on his village, he had lived for vengence, Dispossesed of clan, the cub had survived hard trials, still his army of the dispossesed was growing, he would have enough power with this planet to make a bid for his father's throne. He had heard that the Bitch was carring cubs that may not really be his father's. He would settle the accounts with her traitorus clan. Elsewhere on Badger, power generators hummed and the portals flickered and wavered until they the air turned white, the scientist stepped around his lab on badger, as a whole platoon disembarked the platform. The first sucessful interplanitary transit via portal was underway, figuring out applications besides ground force reinforcement was difficult, the portals still required extensive location mapping, and power to work, furthermore you still needed two portals to make the trip safely. Purhaps they could soon build a model that would work on ship's to planet, especially since portals seemed to ignore shields by making the distance between any two points in space equal 0. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris O'Farrell" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:45:06 GMT Subject: Re: [DTGOD] Cooling Relations Message-ID: > In other news, scientists are baffled by the detonation of a star along the > Boyd Collective/Romulan Star Empire border. The explosion of the star, which > closely resembles our own, seems at odds with every current theory about > novae and supernovae. Conspiracy theorists blame the Boyd Collective, > claiming that it must be a test of their star killer weaponry. Officials > from the Collective have rebuffed such claims, saying that it would be utter > idocity to test new weaponry in the face of an enemy. Secrets are let out > that way. Following the explosion, VHRW ships have moved to a higher state > of readiness along the border. In utterly unrelated news, the NOFR today anounced the establishment of a Goverment owned Ice Cream manufacturing entity in the NOFR's Milky way protectorate. More at six. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 12:34:50 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Jonathan Boyd wrote in news:B7B4B5ED.15E4A%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk: > Phong Nguyen wrote: > >>>> Hehehe, my model is more powerful, smaller and faster recharging. >>>> Fear my reflex *turrets* > >>> Fear my 5 mile rail cannons. 5 mile diameter. If I ever restore those >>> ships. They're sitting in museums now. > >> Well, I *was* talking about conventional weapons! > > What's unconventional about chucking a lump of metal at someone? > If you using an eight kilometer long acceleration rail! >> Besides, I could construct a giant ETHS cannon and go wreak havoc on >> fleets with it. > > Well I could use a fleet of ships to throw planets about with their > tractor beams. > Didn't Graeme already do that? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 12:35:14 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in news:NLEj7.41031$hT4.11249781@news1.rdc1.md.home.com: > "Jonathan Boyd" wrote in message > news:B7B4AB33.15DE7%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk... > >> Fear my 5 mile rail cannons. 5 mile diameter. If I ever restore those >> ships. They're sitting in museums now. >> > > As always I play the trump card: MDD baby. Sit down and be schooled > mutha fuckas. > That's not a trump card. MAGIC is the trump card :D ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 12:36:34 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: Jonathan Boyd wrote in news:B7B4B619.15E4A%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk: > Phong Nguyen wrote: > >>> What's protoculture? I've heard Chris mention it. Some sort of energy >>> source? > >> Best way to describe it is renewable organic cold fusion. The plant is >> highly useful that way. Absolutely clean, but produces a form of >> radiation detectable if you know how (though it can be 'redshifted' to >> prevent that). > > Interesting. Is a lot of energy produced? > It seems rather efficient and the density appears rather high. You can power veritechs with a relatively small amount. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 12:54:14 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista Continued. (A fascinating Collective.) Message-ID: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) wrote in news:20010831031528.01542.00002551@mb-cp.aol.com: > The Eleventh Triumvirate watched from their Command Pod inside the > Ziggurat-like structure on their Mothership that held them. This fleet > was more important than for just reinforcement. It contained the real > offensive punch of the Robotech Merchantile Empire. > > In the center of this fleet were the primary weapons. Neutron-S Super > Dimensional Cruise Missiles... And a refined type, the Neutron-X. > [ooc] ::yawn::[/ooc] > "We hope that at someday we might be allies, but we understand that > such > things take time; and indeed they are better for time, for that refines > them and makes them strong," Tyzelra finished. "But the discussions > should begin as soon as possible, even if they do take time. There is > much that we can offer each other, but only if we are not harried by > the envies of foreigners who want our prosperity, and the fears of > foreigners who hate our advanced ways. We therefore most eagerly await > your favourable and swift reply." > "Sir, we've intercepted a transmission, some sort of comm from that new IDG pointed at the Collective. We're trying to decipher the protocal, but at the moment we don't have any more information. It looks like they're trying to open up relations with them...and only them. Nothing transmitting towards us. No border incursions either." "Very well. Any new information that our probes have been able to decipher?" "We've managed to sort out the information on their basics - we've determined weapon mounts, their types and sizes. Their most powerful weaponry seem to be their axial-mounted reflex cannon, but they also mount numerous missile turrets and particle cannon. We've also detected this, sir." "Those look similar to...they're Neutron missiles, aren't they? And some sort of newer one as well, probably with a much higher yield. Do we know any specifics about them?" "No sir. We've detected fold signatures on them and we should be able to intercept them before impact or at least get the shield up, but areas without interdiction field are suspect to suprise attack." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 31 Aug 2001 15:00:08 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista Continued. Message-ID: <20010831110008.18498.00002182@mb-fl.aol.com> Oddly enough, even the Masters rested. Ornate but.. Lacking in any sense of feeling, those quarters. They were shared, of course. It was inconceivable for the members of a Triumvirate to be seperated for long periods of time; individuals and yet their fates and minds were linked so clearly. Someone who looked upon the bedchambers of a Master Triumvirate might have disparagingly called it a Royal Tomb. They did, however, have beds instead of sarcophagai. The existence was not as dry as one might think, however. These beings of the Triumvirate, the Masters, lived on knowledge and power, and neither one was much served by comfort. Warmth was but an applied tool to stimulate results when outside of the Triumvirate. The affection, of course, was strictly in the fashion of sisters. Clone-sisters was indeed the best title to give them. There could be nothing else for them; Nothing else for any of the Triumviroids, nothing else for the Zentraedi, nothing else for their fellows. And they were the truly dead ones. What might be buried for the others was killed by the inherent avarice and greed and power-lust of the highest levels, and by the mental bond, the strongest among these Master Triumvirates, which as far as they were concerned raised them above levels of earthly desires. And in the case of the Masters themselves, they were right. This society, where intellect flourished.. Science and philosophy, that is, but where art languished, and where love did not exist.. A sterile place, perhaps. But it was undoubtably one that ruled an Imperium, and a glorious and powerful one at that. Below them were many planets of the imperfect, conquered and raised up, in a fashion the Romans would have well understood. The Tirolians themselves, also not perfected, but granted special status.. Because from them the Robotech Elders had come, and the Masters would not forget ties of genetics even if they could kill affection. They studied, the files and documents and histories of a new galaxy, at least the ones that they had obtained, a galaxy with a history far different than their own. In the eerie silence of ones that did not need to speak. A light flashed, and a faint chime sounded, almost politely. "Yes?" Tyzelra asked. "Masters, a thousand apologies, but there is a message coming in to you from Commander Azonia." Mythelra noted the name; Female Zentraedi of some note as an organizer. Efficient, gained command of the four Inspection Fleets here due to seniority. Based on timing it could be only one thing. She nodded slightly. "Put it through," Tyzelra ordered softly. A moment later the screen resolved into an image of the blue-haired Zentraedi commander, who saluted and bowed. "Glory to the Masters!" Came the typical salutation of words. "You have news for us?" Sythara asked from across the room, canting her head nominally, an almost birdlike gesture. "Masters," Azonia began, looking quite pleased, adressing them all. "The fleets of the Zentraedi and the forces detailed to assist us have completed the surpression of all space and air forces arrayed against us. All troops have been landed. Casualty figures are for your viewing now." They were brought up by the three; the conversation mental, a swift review and judgement and the efficiency and success. Azonia had organized the forces well enough, as one might expected. Casualties had actually been lower than expected, at least among the combat fleets; ground troops were still in action on some planets, mainly in the outer group. It had taken several hours longer than expected. That was forgivable. Tyzelra turned back to Azonia. "You have done your tasks well. Form the fleets for massed defense and see that all the planets are properly surpressed. Bioroid garrisons will be formed on uninhabited planets shortly; coordinated with them and the Border Fleets. That is all." Azonia nodded once, and then saluted. "I live to fulfill the Imperative!" The channel was cut, and the room returned to comparative silence. ~It's nice to have that taken care of,~ Mythelra mused to her sisters. ~But I wish we would be hearing back from the Collective soon; we would at least be secure in the start of negotiations then..~ ~We must but wait.~ Tyzelra replied. ~We have Optera to worry about, anyway. Now that we have located the planet, we must plan for a worry against them. At least it is not the other two possible nations, the Sovereign Kingdom of Serenity especially; that would have been a serious foe, perhaps not even worth the wealth of Optera, dare I say it, since we already have the Flower of Life.~ ~But it is not the Sovereign Kingdom of Serenity,~ Sythara replied. ~And so this war shall be easy enough to plan; we may have the help of the Boyd Collective in it, if we propose favourable terms and obey the structure of the laws that govern the relations of Great Powers here; they have all sorts of pretenses, and we still have another one day, nineteen hours, and thirty four minutes until the taskforce arrives over the new Optera.~ ~Speaking of which, what should we call this new version of Optera?~ The rather good question was posed by Tyzelra; the confusion could grow serious. ~Optera Prime,~ Mythelra said, simply, and the three felt empathic agreement to it. In another universe, different from both this one and the one the Eleventh Triumvirate came from, the spirit of a dead clone laughed at the unintended irony of it. Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 15:09:53 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista Continued. Message-ID: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) wrote in news:20010831110008.18498.00002182@mb-fl.aol.com: > > ~Speaking of which, what should we call this new version of Optera?~ > The > rather good question was posed by Tyzelra; the confusion could grow > serious. ~Optera Prime,~ Mythelra said, simply, and the three felt > empathic agreement to it. > > In another universe, different from both this one and the one the > Eleventh > Triumvirate came from, the spirit of a dead clone laughed at the > unintended irony of it. > [OOC] Damn, I once again miss your fanfics...and it's the Star Kingdom of Serenity...but Soverign sounds really good, too...hmm...to be or not to be, that is the question... Also, there'll be a time lag since Boyd does live in a much different timezone.[/OOC] "Sir, we've decoded the basic structure of the transmission now. We still haven't decrypted the message, but we can send a cleartext message out to those...newcomers." "Very well. I'll send it up to the Department of State, we'll see what they can do..." And I'm a bit busy...so assume that a message asking for the opening of relations has been sent. It might be a bit garbled or whatnot, since we don't know what com protocol you're using, but it should arrive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cmdrwilkens" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:41:51 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <3fOj7.42693$hT4.11622985@news1.rdc1.md.home.com> "Phong Nguyen" wrote in message news:Xns910E577B6FE58phongnguyenusanet@130.133.1.4... > "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in > news:NLEj7.41031$hT4.11249781@news1.rdc1.md.home.com: > > > As always I play the trump card: MDD baby. Sit down and be schooled > > mutha fuckas. > > > That's not a trump card. MAGIC is the trump card :D Nope, PHILOTE SPACE is the trump card. If I can think it, I can create it. -- cmdrwilkens AIM: cmdrwilkens "Shut the fuck up, scum." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 15:43:05 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in news:3fOj7.42693$hT4.11622985@news1.rdc1.md.home.com: > "Phong Nguyen" wrote in message > news:Xns910E577B6FE58phongnguyenusanet@130.133.1.4... >> "Cmdrwilkens" wrote in >> news:NLEj7.41031$hT4.11249781@news1.rdc1.md.home.com: >> >> > "Jonathan Boyd" wrote in message >> > news:B7B4AB33.15DE7%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk... >> >> Fear my 5 mile rail cannons. 5 mile diameter. If I ever restore >> >> those ships. They're sitting in museums now. >> >> >> > >> > As always I play the trump card: MDD baby. Sit down and be schooled >> > mutha fuckas. >> > >> That's not a trump card. MAGIC is the trump card :D > > Nope, PHILOTE SPACE is the trump card. If I can think it, I can create > it. > Well, magic has its own uses...but I think I've been trumped :( ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Enigma" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:49:32 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. Message-ID: "Jonathan Boyd" wrote in message news:B7B4B0EC.15E1A%jonathan@jboyd.co.uk... > Enigma wrote: > > > Cone of Destruction. It literally vaporises everything in its path. Once used > > it takes 6 hours to recharge. It starts out small and then widens and has a > > distance of two stellar diameters. > > A little more dangerous than a fish then. Just a little. :) -- "There's nary a man that can outrun a greased Scotsman." -Groundskeeper Willie ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 31 Aug 2001 17:39:55 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista Continued. Message-ID: <20010831133955.01387.00003813@mb-cj.aol.com> [OOC] My mistake. Sorry; and thank you very much. I may continue The Long Patrol in the next few months, however. [/OOC] The message was reviewed in silence. There was an opprotunity buried here. The Eleventh Triumvirate could feel it, almost, in a way Machiavelli would have approved of. ~If we can suborn them to our purpose, we will be eventually in a far better place, sisters. Three months, perhaps four, at least. Perhaps never, if they slip silently into the currents as the Karbarrans have done.~ Mythelra's mind-voice drifted, almosted. ~We can use them, along with the Boyd Collective, to gain a monopoly on The Flower of Life here, to gain control of what rightfully should be only ours,~ Tyzelra said in a far more eager voice. The technological reports had come in, and at least two Star Nations and quite possibly three, along with the Star Kingdom of Serenity its self, used Protoculture, though there was no knowledge of Optera.. Or the Fertile version of The Flower of Life. The Fertile version of The Flower of Life existed only in their own dimension... And on the foolishly, incredibly foolishly, untapped Optera of this dimension. Sitting on that border, fought-over place that borders were, it had been overlooked and now the price would be paid. But the infertile version could last for years.. And the scientists of this galaxy were incredibly cunning. Already, frantically, funds were being diverted to scientific programs long allowed to languish at home, and to research captured technology. It could not be counted that someone could follow in Zor's footsteps here. Unlikely, but not impossible, though the Masters shuddered at it. ~Yes... And over the twin of our glorious capital. Which these two great powers will easily grant us, all things considered,~ Sythara added with a smirk. They all smirked then; their luck in that regard was simply incredible. Valivarre was 1,812 parsecs coreward and somewhat to the right of the world these humans called Terra, and likewise ignored by war, on an uncolonized border. But a place soon to be no longer a border if they had not arrived. ~Let us make the reply, then. The possible gains are well worth the necessity of making and keeping treaty with the imperfect for lengths of time. Especially gaining a second Tirol... Let alone a Protoculture Monopoly...~ Mythelra trailed off, activating the signaller from the command pod. ~True, but let us remember to be cautious in this. We must have that monopoly; we cannot let the imperfect retain The Flower of Life. We can give a great detail indeed to the Star Kingdom of Serenity but we must have the Monopoly and full support for it in return...~ Tyzelra finished with that warning, but the prospects were still good; they could not be passed up, anyway. The channel was connected by triumviroids working below, and, the Eleventh Triumvirate turned to face the screen. "I am Mythelra." "I am Tyzelra." "I am Sythara." A pause, and the voices continued as that eerie but not unpleasant cacophony. "We are the Eleventh Robotech Master Triumvirate, granted with gubernitorial powers that have been extended over these regions. We greet you in the name of the Robotech Merchantile Empire." A pause, and Mythelra continued on her own. "You wish to discuss relations and treaties with us, and we are also interested in discussing formalized relations with your government." "However," Sythara spoke. "We must have your support on the basic concept that the Robotech Merchantile Empire holds an absolute Monopoly on the use of Protoculture and the cultivation of The Flower of Life; we will include such detail of a monopoly over The Flower to the Boyd Collective." Mythelra continued, now. "For the moment, both the Collective and your Kingdom, as we negotiate with you, and as you are powers worthy of our notice, are exempt from this monopoly. We will not extend this exemption further; if your forces use protoculture, we would ask that this matter is resolved in negotiations, and we are certain that it can be resolved. It is just.. A matter of copyright laws to us, you see. The necessary copies under Tirolian law are being sent to you as they will be detailed to the Boyd Collective." Tyzelra then smiled slightly. "We do have one final request, before you send an emissary to discuss things with us in person. We ask that you send a fleet to protect the solar system of Valivarre, of which we are sending coordinates to, which is on the border between your nation and that of the Vengeful Hegemony of Romulan Wrath. The Tirolians there are the founders of the Robotech Merchantile Empire in our home dimension, and we wish to see them protected. She paused, tilting her head, birdlike. "Considering the current situation there.. Moving a fleet into that location would merely be the forerunner of things to come.. And we want the moon we would call Tirol Prime to be properly protected, if possible; not destroyed as debris in the last great struggle of that region." Mythelra smiled vaguely. "As you can see, the copyrights filed by Zor Derelda, and the laws passed by the Tirolian Senate, nationalizing them, are all in order under Tirolian law. We can send you copies of Tirolian matters of Jurisprudence if you wish to confirm that." "Furthermore," Sythara added, "Tirol Prime should logically have a very similiar legal system; it has stayed at the thermonuclear fusion and large-ship fold drive level of development. Their Jurisprudence should be identical if you wish to confirm it there." "In conclusion," Tyzelra finished, "We are happy to lay the framework for a long and prosperous peace. All we ask is that Tirol Prime is protected, and that the nature of our Monopoly over Protoculture, as proven by those Copyrights, is acknowledged... Of course, for own relations, it is irrelevant as long as negotiations are maintained, as we grant exempt for you and the Collective likewise." "We await your favourable and prompt reply," the clone-sisters finished, and then the message was sent. Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) Date: 31 Aug 2001 17:47:40 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista Continued. (notations here.) Message-ID: <20010831134740.11783.00002885@mb-cj.aol.com> < snip > Well, since I'm still awake: They had to operate on the assumption that the Star Kingdom of Serenity used Protoculture because of their mecha designs, as it is commonly assumed that mecha can only operate with Protoculture power sources; if the SKS doesn't.... Then there is a VERY Machiavellian OFFER in there... That is, that a treaty with the Robotech Mechantile Empire could result in technological transfer of _Some_ of the secrets of Protoculture to the SKS in exchange for assistance in the surpression of enemies and nations violating the monopoly. Since I don't think every single guy on the block, even you, Phong, has read "The Prince" a few times through and gotten all of that sort of behaviour down (Wheels within wheels and all that fun stuff on the diplomacy side; the internal government stuff is a tossup as to if it's relevent, considering how crippled the Robotech Merchantile Empire has its subject races industrially.), I decided to note this... Hmm.. Do you think we should take this to E-mail now or something? Ah well, I need to sleep. Tyzelra, Mythelra, Sythara, 11th Robotech Master Triumvirate, endowed with dictatorial powers over conquered Invid territory, overseers of the Zentraedi Grand Fleet, Commanding Triumvirate of the Core Outmarch. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Brian Witz" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:27:23 -0700 Subject: (TGOD-Fenari) The Portal Tech Message-ID: The Fenari have been experimenting with this technology, they were made aware of it by having access to a surviving Tyss universe portal, and having found an abandoned Stargate universe ring on one of the first worlds they colonized. So far no Gu'hal invasions. However since the Tyss purge the memory banks and fry out some components particularly their compact power supplies, the Fenari reverse engineering project is having several draw backs. 1 Coordinates must be preset before opening, this is a difficult trick as unless you have a portal on the otherside it's a one way trip. So far the Fenari have managed to build a second Portal on Fenris, that links to the artifacts found on Badger. Information indicates that the asteroids surrounding the Planet Badger, were originally habitable worlds based on the remnants of machinery found in the stellar debris. Currently The Portals require too much power to use, except for crew rotation, medical emergency, and warship resuply. As the power requirements are so great that only a cruiser sized vessel or larger can power a portal. Second the location to be portaled must be in the memory banks of the portal's computer. (And for unknown reason's we have no access to the other artifacts store of coordinates.) We are beginning primary transmission of Data to HIDE as per agreement. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pablo" Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:43:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista. (Further notes) Message-ID: <9molo9$3bvad$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de> "Phong Nguyen" wrote in message news:Xns910DD98DE1E35phongnguyenusanet@130.133.1.4... > "Pablo" wrote in > news:9mmokp$30km9$5@ID-35195.news.dfncis.de: > > > Of course, Anime battleships (and armored vehicles and sometimes > > people) have a tendency to undergo catastrophic reactor failure when > > hit hard enough. > > > > But still, your figures are only fair. > > > Well, protoculture shouldn't, seeing as its organic cold fusion, but > nothing says the capacitors can't... Well, the beam cannons in RT always have one of three effects, in order of most often occurence- 1. Ship explodes from within (My theory: The beam cannons are particle based. An explosive material within the ship is saturated with the particles, causing an explosion shortly after the ship is hit. This explains how ships can explode several seconds after the beam has passed by. Got this idea from Gundam Series.) 2. Ship disintegrates (Not sure how. Maybe defective bolts :P) 3. Ship is reduced to metal hulk floating in space. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 20:01:23 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista Continued. (notations here.) Message-ID: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) wrote in news:20010831134740.11783.00002885@mb-cj.aol.com: > > > < snip > > > Well, since I'm still awake: > > They had to operate on the assumption that the Star Kingdom of > Serenity used > Protoculture because of their mecha designs, as it is commonly assumed > that mecha can only operate with Protoculture power sources; if the SKS > doesn't.... > Heck no. Hypermatter reactors for my stuff. The low-power stuff usually uses rechargable power cells or cold fusion. I could understand why they assumed they used Protoculture. Especially when they started detecting alien fold signiatures. > Then there is a VERY Machiavellian OFFER in there... That is, that a > treaty > with the Robotech Mechantile Empire could result in technological > transfer of _Some_ of the secrets of Protoculture to the SKS in > exchange for assistance in the surpression of enemies and nations > violating the monopoly. > ::snarf:: Somehow I don't think the SKS will go for it; we're rather wary of treaties. Especially those types of treaties. > Since I don't think every single guy on the block, even you, Phong, > has read > "The Prince" a few times through and gotten all of that sort of > behaviour down (Wheels within wheels and all that fun stuff on the > diplomacy side; the internal government stuff is a tossup as to if it's > relevent, considering how crippled the Robotech Merchantile Empire has > its subject races industrially.), I decided to note this... > No, I haven't read it, but I can see at least some of your [ah, so nice be both singular and plural] tactics. I did read Downfall, and that had enough convoluted government stuff as it was... > Hmm.. Do you think we should take this to E-mail now or something? > > Ah well, I need to sleep. > Go sleep, and email if you want if you don't want the general diplomacy public. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Phong Nguyen Date: 31 Aug 2001 20:18:43 GMT Subject: Re: [STGOD] Conquista Continued. Message-ID: majsvetlanna@aol.com (Maj Svetlanna) wrote in news:20010831133955.01387.00003813@mb-cj.aol.com: > "I am Mythelra." > "I am Tyzelra." > "I am Sythara." > A pause, and the voices continued as that eerie but not unpleasant > cacophony. "We are the Eleventh Robotech Master Triumvirate, granted > with gubernitorial powers that have been extended over these regions. > We greet you in the name of the Robotech Merchantile Empire." > "In conclusion," Tyzelra finished, "We are happy to lay the framework > for a > long and prosperous peace. All we ask is that Tirol Prime is protected, > and that the nature of our Monopoly over Protoculture, as proven by > those Copyrights, is acknowledged... Of course, for own relations, it > is irrelevant as long as negotiations are maintained, as we grant > exempt for you and the Collective likewise." > > "We await your favourable and prompt reply," the clone-sisters > finished, and > then the message was sent. > Department of State at Engima, Star Kingdom of Serenity "This is a sham. A farce, even. Quite Machiavellian, and well-executed, but not something we can agree to. Its an affront to our soverignty, and who knows what the Boyd will think about it?" "Indeed. We need to hammer our response to this...and there's something about those planets. Some interesting flora and fauna...but they seem desperate for it. This...protoculture, they call it." "Our scientists say they have no idea what they're talking about. They want it badly though, and demand a monopoly!" [cue more arguing, cut because of some time constaints]