From: tierce@my-dejanews.com [RST3K] Re: More of Paul's Idiocy. ------------------------------------------------ Meanwhile on the prison moon, later in the day.... (Picard appears on the veiwscreen) Picard: Hello. Luke: What? No, 'I'm am Sean Luc...' Picard: Nope, I'm on my way to the Bajorian system to join the two hundred all ready there, so I'm justing going to drop off Paul's latest post. Enjoy. Han: This is somewhat of a pathetic introduction. BTW, where is Mara? Is she still mad at you Luke? Threepio: That's what I've heard. She said she going to her mothers. I don't what she meant by that because the Emperor killed her parents when she was young. Luke: Hey, Threepio, how did you know that. Threepio: I have excellent hearing Master Luke. BTW, Princess who is this Indiana Jones you scream about in the bed room. (Leia and Han start to share uncomfortable glares as they blush.) Leia: None of your business. Talon: So that explains the reason why Han has that leather jacket and hat. Wedge: Not to mention the whip. Gaeriel: Whip? Ahh, kinky! Han: Hey, can we not focus on our sex life. Obi-Wan: Paul's post will be stomach turning enough. Han: Thank you, Ben. In article , he791859@merlin.uqam.ca (PAUL JACQUES H.JR) wrote: > Andrew Muir (lgpiett@hotmail.com) wrote: > > > > >The original thread said: 'pretty fair fight actually'. So maneuverability > > is > > >an important factor in a fight between ships. > > > > > > Trying to dodge and take the quote out of context, Paul. That a fighter > > destroyed the DS also has nothing to do with being able to quantify > > manueverability OR weapons power. Idiot. > > You Moron! It is not out of context! 'PRETTY FAIR FIGHT' not > the 'WEAPONS POWER ONLY'. Han: I hate to burst your bubble, Paul, but Piett here made the statement about SW weapons being more powerful. Lando: And, alos remember Paul said that was not true, and goes pn about Manueverability. Chewie growls Han: You said it, Chewie. Wedge: Said what? Han: That, Piett must be right if Paul can't refute the weapon strength claim. > A fighter got to the trench. A mofidied ST > torpedo could do the same. Threepio: And does he have proof. Talon: Ofcourse not. This is just an opinion, not a fact. > > >Remember! Runabouts have mini torpedos. So if the opening is as small > > >as you claim then the Enterprise-D will use them. > > > > Show me the evidence that a GCS carries runabout sized torpedoes, because > > you've got no proof. You've also got no proof that the E-D even has the > > equipment to LAUNCH them. That a runabout has them therefore a GCS has them > > is like saying since a battleship carries 16-in shells an aircraft carrier > > would. And make up your mind about which ship is doing this - the E-E or > > the E-D, you've used them both. > > Another ST-Thomas logic. I never saw the Emperor drink water. > Therefore he can't. LOL! Gaeriel: Wow! Paul's dumb statement are starting to decrease my IQ. If this is continues at this rate, I'll be a simple moron at the end of this post. Mon Montha: Should we bother to amuse ourselves by answering him. Luke: Why not? We're not going any where. Bel Iblis: Well the simple fact is that the Empire drinks water because they are human. And humans need water. If Paul was a human, he would understand this. But something like this is so stupid, we don't need to argue it. It's not that important. You mini-torp plan needs proof. > The rebels planned their attack on the DS. > The Federation would do the same and if your claim is right (the size > of the exhaust port), then they would use and make the proper tools for the > task, like mini torpedo with mini torpedo launcher. Leia: Well, the only reason we were able to plan the attack is because we had stolen plans. I like to see Starfleet pull that off. Han: Please, they would get caught the minute they left the base. Jaina: Plus, I'm not even sure if they could use it. The DS plans is not exactly an 'I can read' book. > > >> Has nothing to do with weapon power. > > > > > >The original thread said: 'pretty fair fight actually'. So MANEUVERABILITY > > is > > >an important factor in a fight betwwen ships. > > > > But, Paul, you motherfucker, I wasn't ANSWERING that. I was answering a > > point DIRECTLY related to that - you've tried to introduce bullshit because > > you know you butted in on a point that was completely different to what was > > being discussed. > > I stopped your brainwash by showing the title of the thread. Callista: And you didn't answer the question. These red-herring are just pathetic. > > >> So the > > >> >Defiant could do the same. > > >> > > >> Incredibly incorrect leap of faith. The Defiant is 5 times the length of > > >> the Falcon. The Defiant has ST shields and weaponry, which won't stand > > up > > >> to their SW counterparts. > > > > > >That is dumb! We know the Enterprise-D is 600 m. We know also the orginal > > >Enterprise is 8 times smaller than the Enterprise-D. > > > > Where the hell did you get THAT figure? Proof. > > > > >That puts it at: 75m. > > > > Thats the biggest load of bullshit i've heard yet. Its twice that size. > > Look at it compared to DS9. > > > > >We know from ST:2 that the Reliant is a bit smaller than the original > > >Enterprise. We know also in 'Sacrifice of an Angel' that the Defiant is > > >about the same size as the Reliant class ships. So this puts the > > >Defiant at 75 m, at least. > > > > Complete idiocy, because you've made a flawed assumption to begin with. > > > > I give you this one! Lando: Wow! Did Paul just admit that he was wrong? Obi-Wan: That surprise almost gave me a heart attack. > > Beside speculation based on dubious evidence > > >where is the proof that the Defiant shield and weaponry won't stand up? > > > > "Dubios evidence" - truly hypocritical of you, Paul. When it suits YOUR > > purposes, no matter how bad the evidence is its acceptable. When it damns > > Trek, its "dubious". > > You do the same for SW. Gaeriel: Wow! What a come-back. It's almost like little kids. > > >> ROTFLMAO! Thats the worst i've heard from you yet. You see, sadly Paul, > > >> your "logic" is entirely rhetoric based, and doesn't take into account > > >> things like "weapons strength", or "battle plans". > > > > > >Let see! 'WEAPONS STRENGTH'... If we combine the entire fire power > > >of the DS2+SSD+ISDs and compare it to the combine fire power of > > >the rebel fleet. Then it is obvious that the Empire has superior > > >fire power. The DS2 alone overrides all the rebel fleet in power. > > > > Yet you ignore what happened - when the Rebels moved in to engage the > > Imperial ships it meant that they couldn't BRING all their firepower into > > play. They couldn't use the DS2, and it devolved into slugging matches. > > Still between two factions the Empire and rebels. The Empire still has > superior fire power compare to the rebels. Threepio: Oh! I spotted another double standard. Lando: Really where? Threepio: Remember Paul was going about how manueverability is important. Now, he claims that only weapon strength is important. Lando: You're right it is a double standard. > > >If we do the same for ANH. DS1 fire power compare to the 30 rebel > > >fighters fire power. > > > > And, as you quite blatently ignore, the firepower of the DS1 was useless > > against fighters! Didn't you LISTEN to the dialogue, Paul? Don't be > > idiotic. > > It doesn't negate my theory. Mon Montha: In a manner of speaking.. it does. What good is firepower if it can't be used. > > >he result is the same. In both cases the > > >Empire has superior WEAPONS STRENGHT. > > > > Wrong, as usual, for the reasons I outlined. > > > > Wow! you admit the Empire has inferior weapons strenght? Gaeriel: Wow! Paul, are you going to ignore the statement! > > >But if we use this as > > >a benchmark to compare the outcome of a fight then the EVIDENCE > > >shows that each time the Empire has superior fire power it > > >loses. > > > > ROTFL. The Empire had superior firepower at Hoth - it won. The Empire had > > superior firepower in the opening scenes of ANH - it won. That arguement > > goes down faster than a lead balloon. > > > > They didn't won at Hoth. The rebels flee. Leia: That doesn't negate the fact that the Empire won Hoth. > In ANH the Empire didn't win > the droids escaped with the DS's plan. > > > >> They adapted because Picard already KNEW about it, dumbass. And the > > power > > >> isn't nearly as high as you suggest - in fact, 30% of it decays into > > useless > > >> pions and subatmoic garbage. Meaning you'd have only 3E18 joules of the > > >> original 1E19. And THAT is before the energy goes anywhere else - Data > > was > > >> referring to the reaction going on within the Chamber at that time. > > Because > > >> a Starship is incapable of funneling anything other than small amounts of > > >> power to anywhere but the warp core, the systems designed around the > > >> deflector array would NOT be 3E18 joules. They'd be much, much lower, > > >> consistent with other power distribution systems. ONLY the Warp Nacelles > > >> can handle that much energy. The amount coming out to the Cube would've > > >> been the maximum amount of energy the deflector array could handle. > > > > > >It doesn't matter how much you want to rate the power ouptput of the > > >warp core. The fact REMAINS that the Borg did adapt to raw power. > > >So claiming they can't is opinion and not fact. > > > > HAHAHAHA! You can't even refute it, so you just sit there and cry like a > > little child. The FACT remains that, in "Scorpion", the Borg were exposed > > to raw power and died. The FACT is that in BoBW, power distribution aboard > > the E-D wasn't good enough to channel tne entire output of the warp core - > > as evidenced by the fact that they can't funnel even 1 thousandth of the > > warp core output into any other system. The FACT is that in "Descent II", > > raw power again destroyed a Borg cube. Sorry, Paul, the FACTS stack up > > against you. > > The fact is one episode proves that the Borg did received raw power. > Putting you logic as false. Luke: And we have two episode that disproved. Han: But let;s compromise here, the Borg can't deflect MUCH raw power. Bel Iblis: Good enough. > > >> No, they can't. Watch "Scorpion" before you go shooting your mouth off. > > >> Look at Species 8472. > > > > > >Species 8472 can combine their ships and destroy a planet. So it is > > >obvious that their raw power is superior to what the Borg can take. > > >That doesn't neglect the fact that up to a certain level the > > >Borg can adapt to raw power. Proof:'Best of both world'. > > > > Duh! We aren't TALKING about Species 8472's weaponry, dumbass! We're > > talking about the Borg cubes that were unable to outrun the planetary > > debris, you dumb fuck, and were totalled. We're talking about Descent II > > when a sun's raw power destroyed a Borg Cube. And for reasons I outlined > > earlier, Federation power distribution isn't heavy duty enough to carry 3E18 > > joules into the Deflector array. > > > > I am talking about raw power not KE shield, FOOL! Han: Well gee whiz, how else can you deflect raw power? > > >> Bullshit - where was their KE shield in First Contact? In "Scorpion", > > when > > >> the debris from the planet destroys the two cubes? It wasn't there; it > > >> doesn't exist. > > > > > >If we use the same ST-THOMAS logic, then I can claim several things like: > > > > The difference between your examples and mine is that A) I have more than a > > one-off example, and B) in MY examples there were ALTERNATIVES. > > > > With the ST-Thomas logic I could prove those examples wrong. Callista: Yeah, right. And I'm the Mary Queen of Scotts. > > >a) The Empire can't mobilize more than 25 capital ships for a > > >confrontation against an enemy. Proof: ROJ. We haven't seen more > > >than 25 captial ships in an important fight against the rebels. > > >Therefore based on the ST-THOMAS logic the Empire can't. > > > > ROTFLMAO. Paul, we DID see that - there were well over 25 ships at Endor. > > Try again. > > > > You are saying that they were more than 25 ISDs at Endor. You are lying > now. Ackbar: Well, we have canon evidence that says otherwise. Wedge: Don't bother, pretty soon he's going to call George Lucas a liar. > > >b) The guns (not the Superlaser) of both DSs haven't been used > > >against capital ships. Therefore, based on the ST-THOMAS logic > > >they don't work against them. > > > > Read the ROTJ novelisation, they were. They were also STATED to work > > against them. Where were the Borg stated to have KE shields? > > > > Some novels are not canon. Talon: Well, as I recall the RotJ novel is canon. > > >c) The Empire can't catch people running away from them. Since > > >they didn't get the droids in ANH and didn't get the MF in > > >TESB and stormstroopers didn't get Leia in ROJ, on the Ewok's planet. > > >Therefore based on the ST-THOMAS logic they can't catch > > >people running away. > > > > Isolated examples, which ignore novels. They caught Niles Ferrier, for > > example. Your examples are idiotic in the extreme, because they HAVE been > > proven wrong. You want stupid logic, Paul, just write some of your own > > bullshit. Look at FC and Scorpion II - > > > > Like I said some novels are not canon. Leia: Oh, poor baby! Is that the best you can do. > > - If they Borg DID have a KE shield, the Borg drones in the holodeck and > > elsewhere would NOT BE DEAD. The only possibly explanation is that they > > don't HAVE them, because if they DID the Borg would've won. > > - in "Scorpion", when the planetary debris strikes the Borg cubes, they > > were destroyed because they did NOT HAVE A KE SHIELD. If they DID, why were > > they destroyed? Simple logic, Paul! > > > > The Borg don't value single drones as important. Gaeriel: Oh, come on! That is the oldest defense one why the Borg don't have KE shield. If something like that would make them totally invincible, I would have them installed in my drones. > Secondly, the Borg were caught by surprise by the 8472s destroying the planet. Luke: Surprise is irrevelent. > > >> Ever heard of "overwhelming numerical superiority"? That is how the Borg > > >> operate. They throw cube after cube, drone after drone at you. They > > also > > >> suffer huge casualties because of it. Their ground combat tactics > > resemble > > >> that of WW1 soldiers - get up, walk quickly toward the target in open > > ground > > >> with no cover. Their starship tactics resemble stupidity personified - > > sit > > >> there and take punishment from all sides. > > > > > >Wow! that primitive tactic works??? So how come the Empire didn't do > > >the same with their TFs in ANH against the rebels? > > > > Because its a stupid, primitive tactic which causes confusion in your > > troops. Simple. It also doesn't guarantee Victory. > > > > The Borg don't have confusion when they use it. Not trying to use such > method with the TFs in ANH guaranteed the fall of the DS1. Ackbar: He still insists that thousands of Tie Fighters will fit down that trench. > > If you consider > > >the Borg stupid and they use overwhelming numerical superiority to win, > > >when the Empire having overwhelming numerical superiortity don't use > > >that method to win. Then, the Empire is more dumb than > > >the Borg. LOL! > > > > That has to be the most dumbfuck French Canadian bullshit i've heard from > > you yet, Paul! The Empire has NOT used numerical superiority and won. The > > Borg HAVE used it and lost. Simple. > > > > Based on the three films the Empire never won. Obi-Wan: Do you remember that history lesson I've taught you about the Empire. Jaina: Yes. Jacen: But Paul doesn't. Obi-Wan; Then am sure your aware of the Empire's victory over the Old Republic. Luke: Which I might add is something we learned from the films. > > >Based on the ST-THOMAS logic it didn't happen, Therefore what you stated > > >is speculation and not fact. > > > > HAHAHAHAHAHA. Tough bloody luck, Paul, this entire debate is speculation, > > because it isn't going to ever happen. You can'ty dodge your way out of > > this one, you slimy little motherfucker. > > > > You don't like it when somebody else uses the ST-THOMAS logic (I'll > beleive it when I'll see it). (Sisko appears on the veiwscreen.) Sisko: I hope you enjoyed the post. (The DS9 station's computer beeps.) O'Brien: Sir, I'm picking up fourty rebel captains, and a bunch of starfighters. Sisko: (Turns to the rebels) Is this your idea of a joke. Crix Madine: (Over the conn) This is General Crix Madine of the Rebel Alliance. We demand you release your prisons immediately. Sisko: Never! Crix Madine: Very well. Wings report in. Biggs Darklight: This is Red Leader, standing by. Luke: Biggs, is that you! Biggs: Yup, they finally gave me a cameo apperance. We even got Dash Rendar here to help. Jaina: Is this our chance to escape. Han: We really can't. We don't got any weapons. Gaerial: Hello, we pulled them on each other last post. Rebel Chorus: D'oh! (Our rebel heroes start arming themselves, and fight their way out of the prison moon.) ------- (On Deep Space 9) Sisko: We got ourselves a fight on our hands. Options. Odo: We can invoke the GGAW rule. Ezri: We're up against the good guys here. Kira: How about smaller defeats greater decree? Ezri: With two hundred Federation ships against fourty Rebel ships. Let's face it, Paul's stupid logic finally worked against us. Sisko: (taps his comm badge) Picard, we need options. --------- (On the Ent-E) Picard: Q! We need you. (Q appears, in crutches and bandages.) Q: Forget it. I'm not going to piss off Phong again. You're on your own Mon Captaine. (Q vanishes) Data: Sir, the Rebel ships are doing something... odd. Picard: What? Data: The ships are not positioning themselves, I don't get it. Riker: I've heard SW fans talk about it. I think it's called a formation. --------- (On the Home One) Rebel officer: What are you orders, Admirial? Admirial Drayson: We'll excuse an A-Wing slash against the first line of Federation. Have the rebel cruiser take a flanking position. We'll corner them around the planet. Target their warp nascels. ----------- (On the Prison Moon, our heroes continue to fight their way out but are surrounded by a swarm of Redshirt.) Ensign: Halt you rebel scum! Threepio: We surrender. (The war cry of the Ewoks echoed from behind the redshirt, right before the little teady bears clobber them.) Wicket: jub, jub. Lando: How did the Ewoks get here. Leia: Who cares, let's just escape. --------- (On DS9, Sisko and company watch helplessly as the Federation ships blow up in a blaze of glory.) O'Brien: What just happened. Sisko: I believe this is something called a tactic. Worf: Sir, thirty X-Wings are attempting a flanking manuever. Sisko: Shields up! Ezri: What a minute, you waited to raise shield until now. Sisko: Yeah! Ezri: Well, holy fuck, we've been in a fire fight for ten minute. (She shakes her head) I knew I should have joined the Rebellion. Is it too late? Worf: Sir, the X-Wings have disengaged and are flying away. Sisko: Good. Kira: More of a tactic then a bluff. Worf: Wait! I just picked up thirty A-Wings. The must have been directly behind the X-Wings. Sisko: Shields up! Ezri: The shields are all ready up! O'Brien: It's too late! (The station shakes violently) ST Computer: Warp core has been breched. Destruction immitate in ten minutes. Ezri: What a minute, this station doesn't have a Warp core. Work: Who cares, we need to get off the station. (The Federation officers run around like paniced children trying to get to an escape pod. Cue the Spaceballs soundtrack.) ----- (In the Cockpit of the Outrider.) Drayson (over the comm): There's to many ships. Dash: Don't worry, I got an idea. (Turns to Nuim Numb.) What's my idea? Nuim Numb explains his plan in his Sullan tounge. Dash: Good idea. (Over the comm) All right, re-group, we're heading of the wormhole. Biggs: (over the comm) What good will that do? Dash: If we can detonate it it'll take out all the Federation ships in one blow. ----- (On the Prison Moon, Han tried to hot-wire the door.) Han: I think I got it. (A force field appears on the door.) Han: I don't got it. Leia: We need Artoo. ------ (on the Home One) Drayson: We got to give our fighters more time. Concetrate all fire power on that Sovinergn Class Starship. ------ (On the ENt-E) Data: Sir, we've just lost deflector. Picard: Intensive all fire to the forward phasers, I got want anything to get through. (Picard suddenly see an A-Wing on a suicide course towards the bridge). I said, intense fire to the forward phasers, now! Riker: Too late! (The A-Wing crashes into the bridge of the Ent-E, causing it to explode in a blaze of glory.) ------- (On DS9, the main cast are still scrambling to find an escape pod.) Worf: There goes the last escape pod. Ezri: Well, I can say it was nice knowing you. Sisko: You seem awfully calm. Ezri: It just happens that the author likes me, so there is no way I'm going to die here. C'ya! (Ezri magically beams herself off the station to somewhere safe.) ST Computer: Warp core breach in twenty seconds. Now would be a good time to eject the warp core. Sisko: Why didn't we think of that. Bashir: Because we're Starfleet. Sisko: (taps his comm badge) Eject plasma warp core, authorization Sisko Delta Seven Nine. ST Computer: Deep Space Nine does not have a warp core. O'Brien: Seven Nine? ST Computer: Warp core breach in ten seconds. Ten... Nine... Eight... Seven... Nine... Kira: There it is again. ST Computer: Six... Five... Four... Three... Two... Sisko: Wait, we still have the Defiant. ST Computer: Not any more! (Deep Space Nine explodes) ------ (On the Prison Moon, the Rebels had finally broken out the main door.) Luke: Now all we need is a ship. Gaerial: What's that's over there? (She points to something on a hill.) Bel Iblis: It's Voyager. ------ (On the bridge of Voyager. A door explodes and the Rebels bust through.) Janeway: What are doing doing! Han: We're talking this ship, sister. (Han shots Janeway with his blaster. Tuvok reaches to use the Vulcab death grip on Han, but Obi-Wan slices off the Vulcan's hand with a lightsaber. Chewie ribs off the arms and legs of Commander Chatokay(sp). Artoo zaps Seven with his electric manipulator then slices her thoat when she falls to her knees. Gaerial bitch slaps Torres, causing the engineer to knock herself into a wall. Jaina knees Paris in his 'weak spot' while Jacen uses the Force to choke him to death. Bel Iblis puts Kim in a headlock before snapping his neck. Wedge, Mon Montha, Lando, and anyone I left out take care of the nameless ensign. The only Star Trek cast member left standing is Neelix.) Neelix: Don't mind me. I'll just kill myself for you guys. (Neelix takes a phaser and shoots himself in the head). ------ (Inside the wormhole) Rendar: This is it. All fighter prepare to lauch your torpedoes. Biggs: Roger, Outrider. (The Outrider and the X-Wings launch their torpedoes and quicky exit to the Gamma Quaderent to avoid being trapped.) ------ (On the Home One) Drayson: All ships prepare to jump into hyperspace, we don't want to be here when that wormhole explodes. (All the rebels ships left Bajor, leaving Starfleet to suffer defeat by the wormhole. ----- (On Voyager) Luke: We're finally home free. Lando: It's too bad this ship is so slow. Han: Well doesn't this ship have a slipstream drive onboard? Leia: They took it off line. They couldn't get it to work. Han: We'll lets see if we can get it working. Threepio: Meanwhile, I'll try to get a message to the Rebel Alliance. Wedge: Hey guys, I'm picking up a group of ships. Mon Montha: What kind? Wedge: An Imperial Carrier, and a sqaudron of Tie Fighters. Bel Iblis: Contact them. Tell them who we are? Lando: Are you sure that's wise? They would just take us as prisoners. Callista: Not if they want opur help to free their boys. Behinds, even if they do capture us, I'd rather be in one their cells. The Imperial are more humane than the Federation. (A computer console on Voyager explodes.) Artoo beeps in worry. Threepio: Artoo says that we lost commications. Han: How, nobody fired. Gaeriel: Just like Federation technology to fail when you need it. Leia: Great there is now to tell them who we are. Talon: They'll assume that we're the Feds. Prolly shoot us on sight. Bel Iblis: You got that right, the Tie Fighters are coming. Wedge: Can't we fight them. Tie Fighter never worried us before. Han: Well, we were not in a Federation ship before. These ships are like paper compared to a Tie. Threepio: We're doom. Jaina: (turns to Jacen) Brother, I just want to know that I love. (The Solo twins gave each other a passionate kiss goodbye.) -------- "Leia!" "Leia!" Leia: Ummm.... Han! Han: Wake up. Leia: Oh, god! I had a horrible dream. Han: Of us being destroyed in an escape on Voyager. Leia: Not that! I had a nightmare that we've read another one of Paul's stupid post. The End. ---- -Major Tierce "Are you kidding? I've been doing the Vulcan death grip since I was four." -Cordelia Chase